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1041) Arminius, 11.09.2017, 20:06, 20:15, 20:28, 22:22, 22:33; Alf, 11.09.2017, 23:17, 23:22 (6310-6316)
Alf wrote:
The deconstructivists deduced the slogan form follows fantasy from Louis Sullivans slogan form follows function.A deconstruktivist architect is not somebody who dismantles buildings, but somebody who localizes inherent problems to the buildings. The deconstruktivist architect treats the pure forms of the architectural tradition like a psychiatrist his patients he ascertains the symptoms of a suppressed impurity, as Philip Johnson und Mark Wigley wrote in 1988 (cf. Deconstructivist Architecture, p. 11). It is just the same old megalomaniac architecture.
Pilgrim Tom wrote:
Economic interests, especially monetary interests have become dominant. So politics is dominated by monetary interests. Actually, we do not have national politics or European politics, we only have globalistic politics, and this politics is monetary politics, because it is determined by monetary interests.Why do we - for example - have such a global immigration into Western countries?
The first two (see: 1), 2)) are super organisms.
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Arminius wrote:
»Maybe we will get the European unification after a civil war as it has taken place in the Ancient Roman times. So we will get Marius, a Sulla, a Ceasar and at last an Augustus.
The Crisis of the Roman Republic - an extended period of political instability and social unrest, from about 133 BC to 30 BC.
Social War (9188 BC), between Rome and many of its Italian allies - Roman victory.
Sulla's first civil war (8887 BC), between Lucius Cornelius Sulla's supporters and Gaius Marius' forces - Sullan victory.
Sertorian War (8372 BC ), between Rome and the provinces of Hispania under the leadership of Quintus Sertorius, a supporter of Gaius Marius - Sullan victory.
Sulla's second civil war (8281 BC), between Sulla and Marius' supporters - Sullan victory.
Lepidus' rebellion (77 BC), when Lepidus rebelled against the Sullan regime.
Catiline Conspiracy (6362 BC), between the Senate and the dissatisfied followers of Catiline - Senatorial victory.
Caesar's Civil War (4945 BC), between Julius Caesar and the Optimates initially led by Pompey - Caesarean victory.
Post-Caesarian civil war (4443 BC), between the Senate's army (led first by Cicero and then by Octavius) and the army of Antony, Lepidus, and their colleagues - Truce results in union of forces.
Liberators' civil war (4442 BC), between the Second Triumvirate and the Liberators (Brutus and Cassius, Caesar's assassins) - Triumvirate victory.
Sicilian revolt (4436 BC), between the Second Triumvirate (particularly Octavius and Agrippa) and Sextus Pompey, the son of Pompey - Triumvirate victory.
Perusine War (4140 BC), between the forces of Octavius against Lucius Antonius and Fulvia (the younger brother and wife of Mark Antony) - Octavius victory.
Final War of the Roman Republic (3231 BC), between Octavius and his friend and general Agrippa against Mark Antony and Cleopatra - Octavius victory. **Blood, sweat and tears.« ** **
Our Crisis as an extended period of political instability and social unrest has already begun. ** **
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Alf wrote:
»Form follows fantasy.
More.« ** **
The deconstructivists deduced the slogan form follows fantasy from Louis Sullivans slogan form follows function.
A deconstructivist architect is not somebody who dismantles buildings, but somebody who localizes inherent »problems« to the buildings. The deconstructivist architect treats the pure forms of the architectural tradition like a »psychiatrist« his »patients« he ascertains the »symptoms of a suppressed impurity«, as Philip Johnson und Mark Wigley wrote in 1988 (cf. »Deconstructivist Architecture«, p. 11). It is just the same old megalomaniac architecture. ** **
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Arminius wrote:
Alf wrote:
»Our Crisis as an extended period of political instability and social unrest has already begun.« ** **
Actually, they are, yes. But are Donald Trump and Tiberius Sempronius Gracchus really comparable?
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1042) Arminius, 12.09.2017, 01:11, 02:33; Alf, 12.09.2017, 04:19; Arminius, 12.09.2017, 14:50; Alf, 12.09.2017, 15:54, 16:26, 20:40, 21:12, 21:34, 21:50, 22:00; Arminius, 12.09.2017, 22:08, 22:11; Alf, 12.09.2017, 22:20, 22:40; Kathrina, 12.09.2017, 22:51, 23:06, 23:25; Arminius, 12.09.2017, 23:42, 23:54, 23:59 (6317-6337)
Alf wrote:
Megalomania is typical for the human species, although this merely means that some humans are megalomaniac and some not. Now we are living in a very especially megalomaniac period, yes, and I think that this phase will show us even more megalomaniac humans in the future.
James S. Saint wrote:
Yup. Yep.
Faust wrote:
Why are you, for example, curious to know why any educated person, especially a white one, can be chronically poor (**)? Why do you not know this? If you really know that there isnt a contradiction between being a poor and being a well educated white, why are you asking all this and saying that you dont know, which is why (**) you are asking (**)?
Pilgrim Tom wrote:
Yes.Should there be a global prohibition on interest, Pilgrim Tom?
POVERTY almost everywhere IN THE USA ....MAKE IT GREAT AGAIN?
The earliest human cave painting is about 40000 years old. And the human internet picture I posted above is about 4 days old.== 40000 years ==>From Cave Painting to Portable Network Graphics.
Wendy Darling wrote:
If it is true that European-Amercicans are not allowed to go back to
Europe, then I have some questions:
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Faust wrote:
»Wendy, most americans are not poor.« **
What USA are you from? People buy Chinese socks because they cannot afford $10+ for a pair of socks. If you are in Vermont, that is a white, affluent, snobby state...so what the hell do you know in your insulated bubble of BS? I know I'm wasting my time discussing common sense stuff for that is not your forte...like the reality that 50% of the folks earn under $35,000 and once the baby boomers (who make more collecting retirement pensions and social security pay than full-time workers now) die the 50% will jump to 80%. Ask yourself, why the poverty level on our tax forms hasn't risen since the 1990's or possibly even before then? The poverty level on the tax forms is what $25,000 and it's been that way for at least 30 years because Congress can't raise that figure or the government will eliminate a huge portion of their tax revenue. It took 30 years for the minimum wage to double, but the cost of living has risen three times that rate.
My favorite are the people who live off of their credit cards to make ends meet as they fall into poverty. They do not earn enough to cover the rising expenses so they subsidize with the good intentions of paying back those credit cards, but the payback portion never happens.
Your work experiences decades ago don't count Faust 'cuz times have changed or haven't you taken the time to honestly notice? **
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Faust wrote:
»BTW, household income is a much better measure of poverty, for what I hope to be obvious reasons. The median HH income is in the $55,000 range.« **
My parents (bachelor degree holders) earned more than that back in the 1980's, so thirty years ago that was a decent, middle-class hh income. Now it's more like $110,000 needed to remain middle-class, but more than 50% of hh incomes fall way short of that. What's sad is that many poor people believe that they are actually middle-class. **
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Economic interests, especially monetary interests have become dominant. So politics is dominated by monetary interests. Actually, we do not have national politics or European politics, we only have globalistic politics, and this politics is monetary politics, because it is determined by monetary interests.
Why do we - for example - have such a global immigration into Western countries?
1) The globalists are interested in a great crisis with a great war, because they gain from it very much. Result: They become more powerful. 2) The large companies are interested in cheap workers. Result: They become more powerful. 3) The immigrants are interested in using their children as demographic weapons for the conquest of all Western countries and in becoming as wealthy as the Westerners. Result: They become more powerful. 4) The politicians of the Western countries are interested in continuance in their offices; so they have to support the other three main interests (see: 1), 2), 3)). Result: They remain as powerful as they are. The first two (see: 1), 2)) are super organisms.
The last two (see: 3), 4)) are organisms and »organs like puppets on a string« of the first two (see: 1), 2)). ** **
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An infinite is not a number or quantity or place either but also just something unimaginably large. **
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What I meant by rationality is overrated is that we seem to think that we have to be rational, that if we aren't that's something to be ashamed of. It's like we live in a culture where rationality rules over us rather than we ruling over our rationality (I wonder if this goes all the way back to the Greeks). I tried to argue in this thread that being irrational can have its advantages, and one should not be afraid to be irrational if it seems effective sometimes. **
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The earliest human cave painting is about 40000 years old. And the human internet picture I posted above is about 4 days old.
== 40000 years ==>
From »Cave Painting« to »Portable Network Graphics«.
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Alf wrote:
Do you think that we are living in a very especially megalomaniac period? ** **
Megalomania is typical for the human species, although this merely means that some humans are megalomaniac and some not. Now we are living in a very especially megalomaniac period, yes, and I think that this phase will show us even more megalomaniac humans in the future. ** **
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Being deeply loved by family is a privilege that I am indebted to.
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Arminius wrote:
»Economic interests, especially monetary interests have become dominant. So politics is dominated by monetary interests. Actually, we do not have national politics or European politics, we only have globalistic politics, and this politics is monetary politics, because it is determined by monetary interests.
Why do we - for example - have such a global immigration into Western countries?
1) The globalists are interested in a great crisis with a great war, because they gain from it very much. Result: They become more powerful. 2) The large companies are interested in cheap workers. Result: They become more powerful. 3) The immigrants are interested in using their children as demographic weapons for the conquest of all Western countries and in becoming as wealthy as the Westerners. Result: They become more powerful. 4) The politicians of the Western countries are interested in continuance in their offices; so they have to support the other three main interests (see: 1), 2), 3)). Result: They remain as powerful as they are. The first two (see: 1), 2)) are super organisms.
The last two (see: 3), 4)) are organisms and »organs like puppets on a string« of the first two (see: 1), 2)).« ** **So the losers of this four groups are the politicians of the western countries (=> 4)). ** **
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Arminius wrote
»Alf wrote:
The earliest human cave painting is about 40000 years old. And the human internet picture I posted above is about 4 days old.
== 40000 years ==>
From Cave Painting to Portable Network Graphics.
** **
Are you suggesting that this devolopment of fourty thousand years has only been a degeneration?« ** **
Yes and no.
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Arminius wrote:
»Megalomania is typical for the human species, although this merely means that some humans are megalomaniac and some not. Now we are living in a very especially megalomaniac period, yes, and I think that this phase will show us even more megalomaniac humans in the future.« ** **
Produced by the globalists? ** **
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Arminius wrote:
»Economic interests, especially monetary interests have become dominant. So politics is dominated by monetary interests. Actually, we do not have national politics or European politics, we only have globalistic politics, and this politics is monetary politics, because it is determined by monetary interests.
Why do we - for example - have such a global immigration into Western countries?
1) The globalists are interested in a great crisis with a great war, because they gain from it very much. Result: They become more powerful. 2) The large companies are interested in cheap workers. Result: They become more powerful. 3) The immigrants are interested in using their children as demographic weapons for the conquest of all Western countries and in becoming as wealthy as the Westerners. Result: They become more powerful. 4) The politicians of the Western countries are interested in continuance in their offices; so they have to support the other three main interests (see: 1), 2), 3)). Result: They remain as powerful as they are. The first two (see: 1), 2)) are super organisms.
The last two (see: 3), 4)) are organisms and »organs like puppets on a string« of the first two (see: 1), 2)).« ** **So the losers of this four groups are the politicians of the western countries (=> 4)). ** **
And the only thing these »losers« can do is to obey and to discriminate and fight against the people who originally come from western countries and have elected this »losers«. ** **
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Alf wrote:
1% of all US people has 40% of all the nations wealth (**). And the poorest 80% of all US people have merely 7% of all the nations wealth (**).Watch the video (**) Serendipper posted (especially 4:424:54):Arminius wrote:
Gib wrote:
You are not rational when you are playing with your kids?
Surreptitious 75 wrote:
Well, it depends on the values that are selected - or not selcted, if they are destroyed.We are talking about a cycle. Sometimes there is much megalomania and sometimes not.But wait and see. Like I said: this phase will show us even more megalomaniac humans in the future (**|**). Think of the many problems we already have currently: 7.45 billion humans, a polluted planet, injustice almost everywhere, a lot of wars and of any kind, terrorism ... and so on and so forth. And now there are plenty of so-called experts who want to live according to their megalomania (as if they were gods) and want to tell you how you should live.
Faust wrote:
I am saying that you are probably mentally ill. In any case, you are not too strong on logic, which also means that you are too stupid for knowing the facts and for concluding from this facts.
Faust wrote:
Q.E.D..
Faust wrote:
The fact is exactly the other way around.Immigrant groups dont assimilate, and it is well known that just the second or (more likely) the third generation doesnt assimilate at all and does just the opposite.You are always ignoring reality. Like I said:Alf wrote:
Faust, you are ignoring the fact of white poverty, you are ignoring the fact of failed immigration, you are ignoring any conclusion that follows from this facts.You are too dumb.Faust wrote:
Said by the one who denies reality.
Is Yde Opn wrote:
And at last all are poor and dump, equally poor and equally dumb. Thats the goal of egalitarianism what these liberals or leftists are working for, and many of them dont even know this fact.
Gib wrote:
You are playing with Arminius kids?Arminius wrote:
He is playing without using his brain - with your kids, Arminius.
Is Yde Opn wrote:
Yes.Arminius wrote:
Alf wrote:
Alf wrote:
Yes.
Is Yde Opn wrote:
These conservatives are no real conservatives. There is staging, and there is rhetoric, but there is no real and clear position like being conservative.Is Yde Opn wrote:
They need to equalize all people in order to weaken Europeans / Whites. This equalization as an idealstic goal can never be achieved, but it is rhetorically useful. They have almost all non-Whites on their side. You can probably imagine how many these are and will be because of the demographic situation.
Alf wrote:
Quick! Take your sister (Kathrina) and come home!
Arminius wrote:
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1044) Alf, 14.09.2017, 00:35, 01:09, 01:41, 01:50; Arminius, 14.09.2017, 16:28, 16:36, 16:36, 17:34, 18:15, 18:24, Alf, 14.09.2017, 18:31; Arminius, 14.09.2017, 18:36, 18:57, 22:40, 23:28, 23:28, 23:36, Alf, 14.09.2017, 23:57 (6351-6368)
Is Yde Opn wrote:
You mean that they can potentially be reached by the Pro-Whites?
Arminius wrote:
So megalomaniac people produce even more megalomaniac people.But when and how will this story end?
I mean, if you look at the following two pictures again and think about art history:Alf wrote:
You will probably find very artful times and nearly artless times between them, wont you?
And now, think of the question of this thread (again):Alf wrote:
Faust wrote:
Mr. Reasonable - you mean that in the midwest, immigrants don't assimilate like they do everywhere else? Or that midwestern mexicans don't? **
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So megalomaniac people produce even more megalomaniac people.
But when and how will this story end? ** **
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Arminius wrote:
»Faust wrote:
Mr. Reasonable wrote:
'I think mainly the midwest. Like Kansas and Missouri.' **
Mr. Reasonable - you mean that in the midwest, immigrants don't assimilate like they do everywhere else? Or that midwestern mexicans don't? **
He said: I think mainly the midwest. Like Kansas and Missouri!« ** **
But mainly in the midwest what? **
I identify as an american. **
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Perhaps Faust sees no problem because he doesnt identify as a White European and culturally hes also not particularly European or American-European.
He identifies himself as an immigrant or as the partial descendant of a non-European? immigrant. **
In fact, my paternal grandparents were born in Italy and my maternal grandparents were born in the U.S. of English and Manx stock. My mother's side of the family has american roots that go back for centuries, according to an historian uncle of mine who did the research. **
The positions he holds make sense, its just that the name he has chosen as a moniker is easily misinterpreted in regards to where his allegiances lie. **
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That's me after gashing my head open on the side of a swimming pool.
What a little Photoshop magic won't do.
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Philosophers are bad artists, artists are bad philosophers. Is that what you (**) mean actually? ** **
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Wendy Darling wrote:
No! I said: When the United States of America were founded, there were (1) Europeans, (2) Africans as slaves, (3) Indians (**|**), and the United States of America were founded by the constitution in 1788, but earlier, the first Africans were brought from Africa to the country which later became the United States of America. So the first of this three were the Indians, the second of this three were the Europeans, and the third of this three were the Africans. But all thess three races were already there before 1788.Wendy Darling wrote:
Yes.
Isnt it basically the same discussion about a pseudo dualistic problem here on ILP: Logic versus Ethics, Rationality versus Irrationality, Kant or Hegel versus Schopenhauer or Nietzsche, and so on and so forth? To me, these dualisms are pseudo dualisms, not like real dualisms, for instance: Ideality versus Reality, Subjectivity versus Objectivity.
And never forget how mightful irrationality can be.
Alf wrote:
And a further example: Spirit versus Nature.
But also, dont forget this:Alf wrote:
Wendy Darling wrote:
Thats a good topic of a thread.
Couldnt we subsume the both dualisms Spirit versus Nature (**|**) and Ideality versus Reality (**|**) under one dualism?
In the future, the liberal offspring will say (no, there will be no liberal offspring anymore), the offspring will say: once, evil humans lived on this planet, they had white skin, the sign of evil.How I can know this? Just listen to what the current liberals or leftists as the anti-whites are saying. They are the real racists, the real discriminators, the real personal attackers.
Kathrina wrote:
- Patrick Hernandez, Born to Be Alive, 1979.
That one isnt the best.
Johann Sebastian Bachs music is the best.For example: ** ** ** **More: **
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In the following video (**), Helmuth Nyborg (**) points out the clear relationship between distance from the equator and both brain size and intelligence. At or close to the equator, the average IQ is 69, whereas at a latitude of 54 degrees the average IQ is 98. Nyborg observes that races could logically be classified as »eco-types« (**), since their traits reflect the ecological niches in which they evolved. He also notes that unlike the North/South gradient in IQ there is no East/West gradient, virtually proving that it is the challenges of a cold climate that have forced northern peoples to evolve higher intelligence and a greater capacity for cooperation. He points out that e.g. Arabs have lower-than-expected IQs relative to the latitudes in which they evolved, probably due to the dysgenic effects of frequent cousin marriages.
Two forces could destroy the Western Civilization. One is a social system that taxes the competent to subsidize the proliferation of the incompetent. As Nyborg notes, »the welfare-state debases what created high civilization in the first place - this is the first time in history that the less fit are reproducing more than the more fit« (**). At the same time, lower-IQ non-Europeans are pouring into the continent, bringing with them alien practices and religions. Nyborg concludes with a warning: Unless Europeans are able to reverse these two trends, »the result could be the undoing of the Enlightenment - we may be on the precipice of a new dark era« (**).
Arminius wrote:
»According to Helmuth Nyborg and many others before him (and only few others - I am among them - after him) intelligence is mainly based on genetics and on the landscape, the environment, more exactly said: on the regional climate and some of its consequences. One can say that the northern humans (humans of regions with a moderate and especially a cold climate) are averagely much more intelligent than the southern humans (humans of regions with a warm and especially a hot climate). And indeed, this has already been proven, although some other aspects must be and have been taken in account as well.
Now, if a northern human correctly says I am more intelligent than the southern humans, then this northern human will immediately be called a racist or an IQ racist. But if a southern human correctly says I am more athletic and have a larger penis than the northern humans, then that southern human will immediately get agreement and praise from everyone, nobody will call that southern human a racist or/and a sexist.
One can state with certainty: There are huge differences when it comes to intelligence. These differences were already proven in the 19th century. But since about the second half or the third third or at least the fifth fifth of the 20th century it has been forbidden to say anything about these differences, because they are mostly caused by genetics (averagely about 70% or even 80%), biology, climate, thus only little by sociology. So our rulers are not only against intelligence differences, they are also against genetics, against biology, against climatology. Probably they are also against intelligence itself.
Who are the more real racist: those who correctly say that they are more intelligent than others, or those who incorrectly say that those who say that they are more intelligent than others are incorrect or even racists?
If there are intelligence differences (and there are huge intelligence differences for sure!), then there are also people who correctly say that they are more intelligent than others.
Why is it forbidden to be intelligent? And especially: Why is it forbidden to be more intelligent than others? And specifically: Why is it forbidden to say this?
There is a huge interest in forbidding all this.
When liberalism and egalitarianism come together fraternally (), they have to keep a peaceful distance between themselves: liberalism is for the few rich people, egalitarianism is for the many poor people; and if this peaceful distance is really kept by both of them, then it works like the current globalism works. What does this mean in the context of what I said above? That peaceful distance can only be kept, if there are artificially made differences (for example: racism, sexism versus politically correctness) in order to hide the real differences (such as intelligence differences or the difference between eugenics and dysgenics), because this is one of the means which is used in order to control all humans on this planet - according to the established method and ruling principle: divide et impera.« ** **
»Europe and the USA will either stand together or be hanged separately« - Samuel Huntington (cp. in the video **).
Climate zones:
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Couldnt we subsume the both dualisms »Spirit versus Nature« (**|**) and »Ideality versus Reality« (**|**) under one dualism? ** **
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Gib wrote:
Okay.Humans program themselves, but need to be programmed as well by others. Education is not possible without using rationality. Children use rationality as well and start educating others already very early.So, what I have written in this thread so far has to do with the impossibility to be absolutely irrational, except cases of certain kinds of illness.
Pilgrim Tom wrote:
Yes.Pilgrim Tom wrote:
What do you mean by SWAG exactly?
Alf wrote:
Most of those who have posted a few posts use these few posts as sock puppets.
Alf wrote:
- Patrick Hernandez, Born to Be Alive, 1979.
Maybe. The topic is: IS MUSIC THE BEST? (**|**).Music in general.
The Guardian wrote:
Where do you (**) live?
Wendy Darling wrote.
Or you are just becoming a helper of the economy.
James S. Saint was talking about logic in the sense of the software, not about physics in the sense of the hardware.
People without accountability and without conscience have become more and more. So you (**) should be afraid of those people.
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Does the market select for stupidity? **
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Alf wrote:
»Im not poor, Im not very rich.
Many former middle class people have become lower class people. The middle class has decreased, the lower class has increased.
The United States have one of the developed world's largest income gap between rich and poor.« ** **
That's certainly a cause for discontent. **
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Kathrina wrote:
I think that riots are no solution. They are not more than the antithesis in a Hegelian dialectic sense.So the injustice goes on, the gap between rich and poor will increase.
Arminius wrote:
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But also, dont forget this:
Alf wrote:
»Isnt it basically the same discussion about a pseudo dualistic problem here on ILP: Logic versus Ethics, Rationality versus Irrationality, Kant or Hegel versus Schopenhauer or Nietzsche, and so on and so forth? To me, these dualisms are pseudo dualisms, not like real dualisms, for instance: Ideality versus Reality, Subjectivity versus Objectivity.« ** **
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Isnt it basically the same discussion about a pseudo dualistic problem here on ILP: »Logic versus Ethics«, »Rationality versus Irrationality«, »Kant or Hegel versus Schopenhauer or Nietzsche«, and so on and so forth? To me, these dualisms are pseudo dualisms, not like real dualisms, for instance: »Ideality versus Reality«, »Subjectivity versus Objectivity«. ** **
And a further example: »Spirit versus Nature«. ** **
Couldnt we subsume the both dualisms »Spirit versus Nature« (**|**) and »Ideality versus Reality« (**|**) under one dualism? ** **
I would not.
And if I did, I would subsume both under the dualism »Subjectivity versus Objectivity«. ** **
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Phyllo wrote:
»Alf wrote:
Im not poor, Im not very rich.
Many former middle class people have become lower class people. The middle class has decreased, the lower class has increased.
The United States have one of the developed world's largest income gap between rich and poor. ** **
That's certainly a cause for discontent.« **
Thats a reason for riots! ** **
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Kathrina wrote:
»Phyllo wrote:
Alf wrote:
'Im not poor, Im not very rich.
Many former middle class people have become lower class people. The middle class has decreased, the lower class has increased.
The United States have one of the developed world's largest income gap between rich and poor.' ** **
That's certainly a cause for discontent. **
Thats a reason for riots!« ** **
I know that catastrophes bring new starts. But in the case of our globalism, the catastophe needs to be a global one, highly likely. ** **
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.... 2006:
The richest Finnish 20% have 35% of the Finnish income (GNP). ** **
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Because you believe in such massive national and global economies, the most stable wealth distribution will always be:
Not a great deal different than the current global economy.
Money is a crude measure of affluence, which is a social term for Affectance. Need more be said?
The »solution« - stop forming such massive economies (of course nothing is a solution if never applied). **
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Surreptitious 75 wrote:
I mean the metaphysical type.
Pilgrim Tom wrote:
Yea.
Arminius wrote:
Since machines have become capable of serving and repairing machines, less humans are needed. And in future machines will probably even be capable of inventing machines, then no human will be needed. But will the humans have to be intelligent then (provided that they will still be there)?
Kathrina wrote:
Do you think that this metaphysical type is the motor not only for art as one cultural appearance, but also for all other cultural appearances?
He (**) was a warrior.
James S. Saint wrote:
But I didnt, don't and won't ask them.
Alf wrote:
Yes. The metaphysical soul is just one of the reasons why I joined ILP.
James S. Saint wrote:
It is also a bit comparable with the ILP situation.
Arcturus Descending wrote:
There is no other type. So, I didnt mention that there was one. Surreptitious did. So, ask him.
The soul isnt physical; the soul is metaphysical. Exclusively.
Wendy Darling wrote:
The results of such quizzes dont say much about ones soul.
Arcturus Descending wrote:
I dont see another type.Again:Ask Surreptitious.
I mean the metaphysical type.
Arcturus Descending wrote:
If one can call the psyche the soul, one would have to dig a lot deeper,
much deeper to define the soul.
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We also have to acknowledge that yesterday's middle class may be today's poor class not only because of government policy, or tax laws, but because relative affluence is a moving target. Does anyone know how many poor households have air conditioning, a car and an iPhone? **
Im not poor, Im not very rich.
Many former middle class people have become lower class people. The middle class has decreased, the lower class has increased.
The United States have one of the developed world's largest income gap between rich and poor. ** **
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Arminius wrote:
»Philosophers are bad artists, artists are bad philosophers.« ** **
Are you speaking exclusively of painted canvases and sculptures when you use the term *artists*?
Would you also include writers and poets within Art? Theirs is also Art.
Philosophers might make bad artists insofar as an artist's canvas or sculpture goes since it does take a lot of talent to do what a good or great artist does ...some might not even be able to color within the lines...
BUT I might suggest that the artist himself; namely, the one who is also the writer or poet, along with the painter of canvases, might also be a good philosopher.
Would you agree that an artist is one who does or tries to show the reality of life in both the concrete and the abstract?
The one who reaches below the surface of things to reveal what nature is and does and defines truth and meaning.
The one who shows us, gives us another interpretation or perception insofar as how we can look at something?Isn't this ALSO what the philosopher does, Arminius?
But perhaps some are just not capable of seeing how both can flow through and harmonize with each other.
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Kathrina wrote:
»Whatever human beings may look for when they say 'soul', it is not the point. The point is that they believe in the soul.« ** **
This is where it ends? With belief? I would say that belief is the beginning of the story.
Examine the belief. Examine what soul actually means. **
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Faust wrote:
No. A comeback is still not in sight. The opposite is true: the middle class seems to vanish.Faust wrote:
There is a definition. This definition changes from time to time. The class affiliation can be measured by the income and the buying power. So that is no problem.Faust wrote:
No. More have moved down than up.Almost all people know this fact.The richest 20% have moved up, all others (80%) have moved down. Exponentially! The increase of the gap between rich and poor is an accelerating one!
What Salvador Dali also said is this: Surrealim is destructive, but it destroys only what it considers to be shackles limiting our vision.But the posterior destructivism destroys more than the previous surrealism did.Architecture for example:Arminius wrote:
Lump wrote:
?Lump wrote:
That is what I am saying.
So, okay, then. Alfs question must be answered now. Right?Art belongs to culture.
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Alf - Your pics illustrate my point, to a degree. That 50's middle class house doesn't represent a middle class house today, in many markets. I will say this - my house is about that size, yet i am solidly middle class. The middle class has decreased in recent years, but is lately making a comeback. This depends upon just what kind of income you call middle class, of course. There is no universally accepted definition of that term. By most measures, more have moved up than down. **
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So, okay, then. Alfs question must be answered now. Right?
Art belongs to culture.
Culture is based on a soul.
Thus art is also based on a soul.Alfs question:
Alf wrote:
»Where does art come from?« ** **
The answer:
»Art comes from a soul«.
Is that right, Alf? ** **
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Carleas lives in an imaginary world built from the left over stories and dreams of the original USA. He specializes in believing only what might be possibly true to his ideals and preference, excusing and ignoring all else. **
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Carleas wrote:
»Here's an idea: demographic changes in the proportion of humanity of various races is driven in large part by birth rates, which have fallen in the (mostly white) first world and remained high in the (mostly non-white) developing world. There is strong evidence from Europe and the US that birth rates for a given population fall as wealth rises. So if we want to equalize birth rates, and thus slow the current demographic trends, all we have to do is raise the average wealth among non-whites to the level of wealth among whites, by helping the developing world and reducing racial inequality domestically.
Turns out equality, redistribution, and social justice are the best ways to preserve whites (with the added benefit that once you get on board with those, the only group you really care about preserving is humanity).« **
Yeah right. Just MAKE EVERYONE RICH, then they will forget all about the propaganda to hate whites. Sounds like PK (Peter Kropotkin ist gemeint). **
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Brando wrote:
»It is often stated, that Logical description in Panlogism determines natural processes.« **
I can verify that. In that regard, Hegel was right. **
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Brando wrote:
»This is a way of abstraction instantiated in nature. Is it possible, that Nietzsches thought of the eternal return of the given is a consequent of this hypothesis? In so far as the same is measured through this abstraction, so Change signifies the same in a Abstract manner? So Spartacus is via abstraction the same as the Pariser Community?« **
I have no idea ..., even of what you said. **
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Arminius wrote:
»According to the majority of the Non-Europeans, »trying to make Non-Europeans rich« means »trying to make Europeans out of Non-Europeans« .... ** **
I don't think this is true. Japan and, more recently, China and India have embraced western capitalism and lifted millions of non-Europeans out of poverty, without being turned into Europeans. **
According to the majority of the Non-Europeans, »trying to make Non-Europeans rich« means »trying to make Europeans out of Non-Europeans«, thus: »trying to insult Non-Europeans«. They want money, yes, but they know how to get it without being insulted. They do not want any advice coming from Europeans (Whites). And this fact increases the more, the more Non Europeans and especially the more generations of Non-Europeans Europe has. ** **
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Immigrants came to North America, killed off as much of the native population as possible, and took over. They now call it Canada and the U.S. Think it couldn't happen again? You wanna play might makes right, look out. If you have what they want .... **
I'm reading a heavily distorted view of history here. **
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Arminius wrote:
»I guess he means how or why Nietzsche came to his concept of the eternal return. It was because he had read some interesting books about physics, especially about thermodynamics.
Brando, what is your first language?
Maybe I can better understand you if you say what you mean in your first language (depending on which it is).« ** **
I'm pretty sure that would be English. The problem that I have is with his presumptuous sentence structure - too many taken-for-granted inferences, such as, "a way of abstraction instantiated in nature". I could read that in a variety of ways, but it would be nice to know which one he intended. **
And when he says »determines«, is he really referring to »causing« or »distinguishing«? Without that, I don't really know what »hypothesis« he intends. **
The problem that I have is with his presumptuous sentence structure - too many taken-for-granted inferences, such as, "a way of abstraction instantiated in nature". I could read that in a variety of ways, but it would be nice to know which one he intended. **
And then there is, »In so far as the same is measured through this abstraction«. Emmm ... the »same« what? I assume by »this abstraction«, he is referring to Logic or Panlogic.
Then the question: »Change signifies the same in a Abstract manner? So Spartacus is via abstraction the same as the Pariser Community?« Appears to be a complete non-sequitur to me. How did »change« get into this? **
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James S. Saint wrote:
He meant the Parisian community, and he meant Spartacus.But the word Pariser is German.And I do not think that he made a real typing error in that case. It was more something like a lapsus linguae.Or the one behind Brando uses this username as a sock puppet and wants to set us on the wrong track.Who knows?
I am pretty sure that the one behind Brando is not the unmanly one with no real supporters and therefore dozens of ILP accounts.He certainly has only one ILP account.And you may be right, Arminius, that his first language is German.
Brando wrote:
Brando wrote:
Peter Sloterdijk and Norbert Bolz have not seldom written about Gotthard Günther (1900-1984) and even oftener about Niklas Luhmann (1927-1998). As far as I remember this has often had to do with Günthers concept of Rejektion (also: Rejektionsfunktion, Rejektionswert) and with Luhmanns concept of Kommunikation and of Zwangskonsensualismus.Zu Habermas aussichtsloser Position vgl. Gotthard Günther, Beiträge zur Grundlegung einer operationsfähigen Dialektik, 2. Band, 1979, S. 169: »Habermas steht in einer ehrwürdigen, aber unwiderruflich dem Verfall preisgegebenen Tradition, die nur dort ihr Leben fristet, wo sie mit längst veralteten Denkweisen arbeiten kann.« Peter Sloterdijk meint, daß ein solcher Prozeß eine Falle ist, »in die der solchermaßen verflüssigte Heilige Geist nicht nicht gehen kann. Er geruht jedesmal, im Ergebnis eines Prozesses zu wehen, ganz so, als wehte er nicht länger, wo er will, sondern wo das Verfahren es erlaubt«. Außerdem, so folgert Sloterdijk, garantiere der prozedurale Filter ja, daß »keine Scheinheiligen auftreten und uns diabolische Simulakren erspart bleiben, genauso wie man bei Kommunikationen gemäß Habermasschen Spielregeln die Gewißheit genießen darf, daß nach der Endausscheidung kein Dissenstheoretiker, kein Pluralist, kein Konstruktivist und vor allem kein Künstler im Kreis der wahrhaft vernünftig Kommunizierenden mehr dabei sein kann.« (Vgl. Peter Sloterdijk, Nicht gerettet, 2001, S. 86 und 87). An dieser Stelle verweist Sloterdijk auf Luhmann und seine Kritik an der Kritischen Theorie und ihrem unvermeidlichen »Zwangskonsensualismus«. (Vgl. Niklas Luhmann, Ich sehe was, was du nicht siehst, in: Ders., Soziologische Aufklärung - Konstruktivistische Perspektiven, 1993, S. 228-234). Schon lange vor der Sloterdijk-Debatte genannten Habermas-Debatte war klar: Die Kritische Theorie ist tot. (Peter Sloterdijk, in: Die Zeit, 09.09.1999, S. 35). - Hubert Brune, Diskursdiktatur, 2001 ff. (**).Because I am much interested in the history of machines, I thankfully can say that Gotthard Günther also wrote: Das Bewußtsein der Maschinen, 1960 (The Consciousness of Machines, 1960).
Kathrina wrote:
Also, dolphins are good for therapy:- Manfred Manns Earth Band (Mann, Thompson, Pattenden, Slade), Singing the Dolphin through, 1976 -
Surreptitious 75 wrote:
That is the interpretation of the mainstream, yes. But questions about, for instance, the anthropic principle or about the first cause should not be answered by scientists, but by philosophers or theologians, because die Wissenschaft denkt nicht (science does not think), as Heidegger once said, so scientists are not really capable of answering philosophical or theological questions.You can measure the distance between the Sun and the Earth, but this does not necessarily mean that this distance is random; and you can know how the system of the Sun and its planets has developed since its beginning (Kant has given a theory that is still valid), but that does not necessarily mean that you can answer all philosophical or theological questions. And the anthropic principle for instance is a metaphysical (thus: a philosophical or theological) issue, although or even because it is deduced from physics (thus: science). When physicists try to answer a metaphysical question like the question whether their physical constants (natural constants) are caused by randomness or not, then they are already metaphysicians (the more proper word is metaphysicists). The natural constants (physical constants) do not have to be caused by randomness, they can also be caused by a spiritual machinist, a creator, a God or a principle which is not random. Physicists do not know either anything about the events before the big bang, if there was a big bang at all, or about an existence beyond our universe, if there is one at all.
Brando wrote:
Willkommen.
James S. Saint wrote:
Venus and Mars were habitable planets. But it became too hot on Venus (perhaps because of something like a greenhouse effect), and Mars had and still has a too weak atmosphere in order to have higher living beings.The anthropic principle is physically or cosmologically related to our planet Earth, our Moon, our Jupiter, our Sun, our Milky Way ... and so on. It means metaphysically that all this physical constants (natural constants) are as if someone has set them consciously.James S. Saint wrote:
Agreed. A strong argument would be that this cosmos literally requires life.
Wendy Darling wrote:
The United States are only one of the nearly pseudo governments working for the globalists and has even less to ay than non-governmental organizations like the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), the Trilateral Commission (TC), the UNO and the EU for example, because they are the institutions of the globalists, whereas governments of states (nations) range on second or even third place (level).
Food for thought or for illustration.Do you think that a picture can be thought?
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Arminius wrote:
»Brando wrote:
Yes I am from Germany.« **
Willkommen.« ** **
»Welcome in«.
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