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Hallo, Herr Unbekannter (S. P.).
Ich möchte Sie noch einmal darauf hinweisen, daß die Kulturen, um die es in meinem Fehlgeburten-Text (**) geht, keine Nationen sind, sondern größere Einheiten - es sind 8 an der Zahl: (1) Mesopotamien/Sumer/Babylon/Altpersien, (2) Ägypten/Nil bzw. Nordostafrika, südöstliches Mittelmeer, (3) Südasien (Indien/Indus), (4) Ostasien (China/Japan), (5) apollinische Antike, (6) Maya/Inka (Altamerika), (7) Persien/Arabien (magische Kultur) und (8) Abendland (faustische Kultur). Es sind größere Immunitätsmonaden, wenn Sie so wollen, und haben mit Nationen nur indirekt zu tun. Die Slawen oder zumindest die Ostslawen (daher: Russen, obwohl auch die Ukrainer und Weißrussen zu den Ostslawen gehören) fehlen hier, und deshalb waren oder sind bestimmte Kulturphilosophen und Kulturwissenschaftler der Meinung, daß Ostslawien bzw. Rußland die 9. Kultur werden könnte. Vielleicht sollten Sie zunächst einmal versuchen, die Kulturtheorien, besonders die des 19. und frühen 20. Jahrhunderts zu verstehen, genauer gesagt: Versuchen Sie zuallererst, bestimmte Bücher darüber zu lesen, am besten die Originalwerke.
Vielleicht hätte ich die von mir in meinen einschlägigen Texten thematisierte russische Kultur lieber slawische Kultur oder ostslawische Kultur nennen sollen, damit mehr Menschen - also auch Sie - verstehen können, daß ich nicht die russische Kultur meine (Nation ist ohnehin ein rein abendländischer Begriff), sondern geographische, genauer kulturgeographische bzw. geistes-, seelen- religionsgemeinschaftliche Kultureinheiten einer bestimmten Landschaft, gewissermaßen Gegenden mit einheitlichen Übungen (Peter Sloterdijk) aufgrund einheitlicher Landschaft und daher einheitlicher Geistes- und Seelengemeinschaft. Verstehen sie, was ich meine? Die Weiten Rußlands bzw. Ostslawiens, die Ebenen Rußlands bzw. Ostslawiens sind gemeint; aus ihnen gehen bestimmte Mentalitäten hervor, die sich von anderen Landschaften und Geistes-/Seelenkörper signifikant unterscheiden - das hat z.B. überhaupt nichts mit dem Begriff Nation zu tun, der rein abendländisch und vergleichbar (vergleichbar, aber nicht identisch!) mit den antiken Stadtstaten (Poleis) ist.
Die Frage ist also, ob es in Zukunft möglich ist, daß eine solche 9. Kultur entsteht. Es wäre zu begrüßen. Aber sie kann mit höherer Wahrscheinlichkeit nur dort entstehen, wo eine Landschaft und die dazugehörigen Menschen noch nicht so sehr von anderen Kulturen geformt und ggf. verformt worden sind, und das war und ist in den weiten Ebenen Ostslawiens weitgehend der Fall.
Das, was hier mit Kultur gemeint ist, ist etwas anderes als das, was Sie und die meisten heutigen Abendländer (weil sie dekadent geworden sind) unter Kultur verstehen. Eine neue Kultur, also eine neunte Kultur, täte uns allen gut, aber ich glaube eher, daß sie nicht entstehen wird, und deshalb nenne ich diese Kultur, die hätte zur Welt kommen können, aber nicht zur Welt kam eine abgetriebene Kultur oder Fehlgeburt u.s.w.. Sie so zu nennen, soll die Dramatik, die damit verbunden ist, verdeutlichen (sonst nichts!). Wenn keine neue Kultur mehr kommen wird, werden wir Menschen wahrscheinlich bald von diesem Globus verschwinden.
Wie Sie spätestens jetzt gesehen haben müssen, bin ich also alles andere als ein Russen- oder Rußlandfeind.
HB und FN (Fabian Nix)
Unter der Bedingung, daß mein vollständiger Name oder meine vollständige Internetadresse auf dem Bild zu erkennen ist, gebe ich die Erlaubnis - sonst nicht. **
Freundliche Grüße und viel Glück und Freude bei der Erstellung der Facharbeit.
HB und EB (Elisabeth Becker-Schmollmann)
Guten Tag, Frau Becker-Schmollmann.
Danke für Ihre Antwort in Ihrem Gästebuch. **
Ich bin auf Ihre Webseiten durch einen Eintrag in mein Gästebuuch aufmerksam gemacht worden und habe gleich reagiert. Ich zitiere meinen Kommentar:
Danke für Deinen Gästebuch-Eintrag, Hans-Werner.
Die von Dir angesprochene Hypothese, daß der Aufbau des Universums dem Fibonacci-Prinzip folgt, ist interessant, aber nicht wirklich neu, wie die Webseite der Lisartgalerie (**) suggeriert. Es gibt z.B. ein mir sehr gut bekanntes - englischsprachiges - Webforum, in dem diese Hypothese immer wieder diskutiert wird. Da ja auch Du der englischen Sprache mächtig genug bist, könnte jenes Webforum auch für Dich interessant sein (**|**).
Des weiteren gilt den Physikern die Gravitation immer noch als die Göttin des Universums schlechthin, während die physikalischen Ursachen für den Aufbau des Universums nach dem Fibonacci-Prinzip im Elektromagnetismus zu suchen sind, obwohl man auch in dem Fall sich nicht sicher sein kann, die richtige Göttin des Universums gefunden zu haben. Vielleicht muß man sogar nach völlig anderen Ursachen suchen. In dem von mir bereits erwähnten englischsprachigen Webforum z.B. wird eine Ontologie der Affektanz vorgestellt, gemäß der alles auf Affektanz zurückgeht (**|**), alle und jede Existenz das ist, was Affekt hat (**). Ich bin zwar sowohl dieser Affektanz-Ontologie als auch dem von Dir angesprochenen Fibonacci-System gegenüber offen eingestellt, denn ich gehe sowohl bei meiner Natur- als auch bei meiner Kultuphilosophie bekanntlich von Affekten und insbesondere von Spiralen aus; aber es gibt daneben noch weitere Prinzipien und Formen, die für eine komplette Philosophie oder Wissenschaft bedeutsam sind. Ich kann Deine Frage nach der Schlüssigkeit der Hypothese vom Aufbau des Universums nach dem Fibonacci-Prinzip also nur auf relativierte Weise beantworten. Meine Antwort hat nichts damit zu tun, daß diese Hypothese gegenwärtig nicht akzeptiert wird, obwohl die Urknall-Hypothese nicht plausibler ist; meine Antwort hat damit zu tum, daß es höchstwahrscheinlich mehrere Prinzipien gibt, die im Universum wirksam sind, wodurch die Aussage, daß das Universum nach dem Fibonacci-Prinzip aufgebaut ist, von mir relativiert, aber nicht verneint wird. Wir sehen ja in unserer unmittelbaren Umgebung, daß vieles nach dem Fibonacci-Prinzip aufgebaut ist. Warum also soll nicht auch vieles im restlichen Univerum danach aufgebaut sein? Dennoch halte ich es aus den eben genannten Gründen für eher unwahrscheinlich, daß das gesamte Universum nur danach aufgebaut ist. **
(Hier schreibt die Verfasserin der Hypothese. Der Eintrag in deinem Gästebuch war ja von meinem Mann.)
Guten Tag, Herr Brune,
Oder sind auch wir zwei per-Du? Wenn es dir oder Ihnen recht ist ...
Dass das Wort Fibonacci davor steht, dürfte irreführend sein. Das hat nicht die Priorität. Sondern das Stabmagnetsystem in Verbindung mit Hyperkugel und Innenkugel, mit zwei Monopole-Universums-Anteilen, die sich zusätzlich oder gleichzeitig als Stabmagnete erweisen, oder die ins Feld geführte »neue« Groß-Gravitation bzw. Anti-Klein-Gravitation (wie Antimaterie von Materie) von außen kommend, wodurch die dunkle Energie- und die dunkle Materie-Optionen nicht mehr benötigt werden. Ich habe, glaube ich, alle 4 Kräfte unter einen Hut gebracht. Oder siehst du das nicht so? Jedenfalls bin ich total gesund neugierig auf deine Ausführungen auf deinen Seiten. Denn ich habe ja erst angefangen zu lesen. Und noch was, die Art wie du schreibst, fand ich angenehm, es tat also nichts irgendwie weh oder klang auch nicht abwertend, wie ich es vor Jahren als mal im Netz so erfahren habe. Denn ich bin ja in dem Fach Physik selbst, absolut ungebildet, kenne keine einzige Formel usw. Alles in der Hypothese kam mir per Intuition oder gem. dem, was ich vom Fernsehen oder von meinem Mann her kenne, wenn er mir mal etwas erzählt, was er gelesen hat in seinen schlauen Büchern.
Ja gut, mein Vater galt als ein Mathegenie, als Erfinder und wurde in Physik ausgezeichnet, aber da hätte ich höchstens von seinen Genen etwas mitbekommen. Denn bis vor kurzem wusste ich nicht einmal etwas davon, was magnetischer Nordpol oder Südpol oder Monopol bewirken usw. Bei mir ist es so, dass ich morgens mit Intuitionen und Erkenntnissen aufwache, dann den Tag über mich kreativ, empirisch damit befasse, und erst Tage später im Netz manchmal zufällig entdecke, dass es so richtig war, was mir in den Sinn kam oder dass es das oder das schon gibt bzw. noch nicht gibt.
Was ich gestern als Einleitung erst neu aktuellisiert habe, bringt das Wesentliche etwas deutlicher hervor, auch ist eine neue Grafik hinzu gekommen. Doch die Hypothese entwickle ich alle paar Tage sowieso weiter und höre gut auf das, was Andere meinen, dass es nicht passt. Das Einstein-Bose-Kondensat vor dem Barkhausen-Sprung ist z. B. etwas, was einer meiner Kritiker meint, würde nicht passen, ansonsten aber sei die Hypothese nachvolliehbar. Ich bin also sehr interessiert an Gegenargumenten. Denn damit kann ich erst richtig etwas anfangen.
Was aber das Expandieren betrifft gem. meiner Hypothese, wie du es meinem Mann geschrieben hast, da formuliere ich etwas anderes, nämlich dass das Universum zyklisch immer wieder nach seinem Ende kollabiert und dann expandiert. Doch was jeweils davor und dann davor usw war, darüber erlaube ich mir keine Überlegungen mehr, das ist zu heilig für mich, will ich nicht antasten. Ich schreibe somit nur vom Aufbau, wie ich ihn vermute, nicht aber von der Entstehung.
Meine Hypothese zum Aufbau unseres beobachtbaren Universum beschreibt ein, - auf Hyperkugel und Innenkugel bezogen -, radialsymmetrisch verlaufendes Stabmagneten-System einerseits.
Es handelt sich ferner um ein in dieses Stabmagneten-System integriertes Kegel-in Kugel-System innerhalb mehrerer Instanzen, ähnlich dem Prinzip der russischen Puppen. Der Erste-Instanz-Kegel (innerhalb des Innenkugelsystems) entspricht dem Radius unseres beobachtbaren Universum, also der Innenkugel; der Zweite-Instanz-Kegel entspricht dem Radius der Zweite-Instanz-Kugel innerhalb des Erst-Instanz-Kegels/oder Trichters; der Dritte-Instanz-Kegel entspricht dem Radius der Dritten-Instanz-Kugel innerhalb des Zweiten-Instanz-Kegels usw. sich fortsetzend bis evtl. in die Größe von Atomen. Die Hyperkugel als die gravitativ schwerere Kugelart (grün) weißt den Charakter und das Verhalten von negativ-geladenen Magnetischen Monopolen auf, die Innenkugel (rot) den von positiv-geladenen (siehe hierzu u. a. speziell Bild: 1 c).
Das in meiner Hypothese geschlossene Universum mit es umgebender Hyperkugel korrigiert automatisch die bisherige Annahme, dass sich im Falle eines geschlossenen Universums die Expansion verlangsamen müsse wegen der ebenfalls bisher dafür angeblich verantwortlichen Gravitation. Dem wäre auch so, wenn da nicht meine Groß-Gravitation aus der Hyperkugel stammend wäre. Denn diese zieht von außen all das, was in der Innenkugel am Expandieren ist, heißt, die Expansion wird sogar durch die außen anziehende Kraft beschleunigt. Gut, oder? Bitte korrigieren Sie bitte dennoch meinen evtl. Denkfehler an dieser Stelle und schreiben mir bitte.
Die von mir postulierte Größe eines
einzelnen dieser wie Bild 1 a) zeigt, unzählig vielen Stabmagnete,
möge Sie hoffentlich nicht erschrecken:
Du meinst die 4 Grundkräfte oder Naturkräfte, die man auch Wechselwirkungen nennt. Aber wer diese 4 Wechselwirkungen unter einen Hut gebracht hat, geht quasi von der »Großen Vereinheitlichten Theorie« aus, gemäß der alle 4 Wechselwirkungen am Anfang (!) vereinigt waren und sich danach voneinander getrennt haben. Oder hast Du mit unter einen Hut gebracht etwas anderes gemeint? **
Falls Du es so gemeint hast, wie ich es zunächst interpretiert habe, dann hättest Du Dich quasi unwissentlich doch mit dem Anfang des Universums beschäftigt. Das steht aber im Widerspruch zu dem, was Du sonst noch geschrieben hast:
Was aber das Expandieren betrifft gem. meiner Hypothese, wie du es meinem Mann geschrieben hast, da formuliere ich etwas anderes, nämlich dass das Universum zyklisch immer wieder nach seinem Ende kollabiert und dann expandiert. Doch was jeweils davor und dann davor usw war, darüber erlaube ich mir keine Überlegungen mehr, das ist zu heilig für mich, will ich nicht antasten. Ich schreibe somit nur vom Aufbau, wie ich ihn vermute, nicht aber von der Entstehung. (**).
Wenn man die 4 Wechselwirkungen als einheitlich gewesene und danach sich abspaltende Wechselwirkungen gemäß der »Großen Vereinheitlichten Theorie« versteht, dann akzeptiert man eine der Theorien über den Anfang des Universums. **
Die Theorie über ein zyklisches Universum ist interessant und kommt vielen meiner Überlegungen und Hypothesen, ja vielleicht meiner Theorie über das Universum insgesamt, man könnte sie auch eine (Art der) Naturphilosophie nennen, sehr entgegen. Ich gehe jedoch nicht davon aus, halte es aber für möglich und mich dennoch mit Spekulationen darüber im Internet eher zurück, daß das Universum zyklisch immer wieder nach seinem Ende kollabiert. **
Denn auch hier beschäftigt man sich bereits mit dem Anfang, auch wenn man es nicht will und sogar sagen kann: »Ja, Moment einmal, das Universum hat doch gar keinen Anfang, weil es zyklisch kommt und geht«. Auch dann, wenn man den Anfang verneint, hat man sich mit ihm - zumindest gedanklich - beschäftigt. **
Ich tue gedanklich etwas anderes. In meiner Theorie sind Anfang und Ende des Universums gedanklich wirklich nicht berücksichtigt. Ich gehe zwar trotzdem auf meinen Internetseiten auch auf das Thema Anfang und Ende des Universums ein; doch in dem Fall tue ich das nur, weil ich meine Internetseiten auch als Enzyklopädie verstehe. In meiner Theorie selbst sind sie nicht berücksichtigt, weil Anfang und Ende des Universums wahrscheinlich nicht verifizierbar und im Umkehrschluß wahrscheinlich auch nicht falsifizierbar sind. Deshalb beschränke ich mich bei meiner offiziellen Theorie auf unsere kosmische Nähe.
Ich zitiere mich selbst (übrigens aus dem neuen Gästebuch):
»Die Umläufe sowohl der Monde um ihre Planeten als auch der Planeten um ihre Sterne, ja sogar der Sterne um ihr galaktisches Zentrum beschreiben eindeutig keine Kreise oder Ellipsen, sondern Spiralen. Während z.B. unsere Sonne das Zentrum unserer Galaxis spiralförmig umläuft, umläuft unsere Erde die Sonne ebenfalls spiralförmig und wird dabei noch von unserem Mond spiralförmig umlaufen. Denn Körper, die sich um Körper bewegen, die sich ebenfalls um Körper bewegen, bewegen sich nicht auf zwei-, sondern auf dreidimensionale Art. Sie bewegen sich nämlich spiralförmig und also auch zyklisch, genauer gesagt: spiralzyklisch. Nur dann, wenn sich um jenen Körper oder Punkt bewegt wird, der sich nicht um einen anderen Körper oder Punkt bewegt und auch nicht auf eine andere Art durch äußere Kräfte bewegt wird, kann diese (und nur diese) Bewegung zweidimensionaler Art sein. Die Geologie liefert ebenfalls Erkenntnisse über zyklische, genauer spiralzyklische Entwicklungen. Als Beispiele seien hier die Zyklen der Kontinenalverschiebung (**), der Geotektonik (**) und der Geomagmatik (**) genannt. Wenn morgen eine Naturkatastrophe globalen Ausmaßes geschehen und in deren Folge fast alle biologischen Arten aussterben würden, dann würden unter der Voraussetzung, daß unsere Sonne weiterhin unserer Erde Energie liefern wird und die Naturkatastrophen weder häufiger noch stärker als vorher sein werden (**), irgendwann wieder nicht selbige, sehr wahrscheinlich auch nicht gleiche, aber immerhin doch sehr ähnliche Lebewesen auf der Erde erscheinen. Auch ist als biologischer Zyklus das Entstehen, Wachsen, Blühen, Verwelken im Sinne von Auf- und Abbau der Lebewesen zu nennen. Die Biologie liefert also ebenfalls Erkenntnisse über zyklische, genauer spiralzyklische Entwicklungen.« (**). **
Die Wahrscheinlichkeit, daß auch die Galaxien spiralische Bewegungen vollziehen, ist also nicht gering. Aber selbst das behaupte ich nicht unbedingt, sondern nur im Sinne einer Wahrscheinlichkeit. Ja, genau so! Ich bin Skeptiker. Jeder Wissenschaftler sollte Skeptiker sein. **
Ob aber das Universum selbst einem Zyklus folgt, bleibt - zumindest für mich - eher Spekulation, aber Spekulationen im Sinne von Theoriebildungen sind auch notwendig. **
P.S.) Ist Dir eigentlich die »String«-Theorie bekannt? **
Rund 252 Mio. Jahre braucht die Sonne für ihren Umlauf um das galaktische Zentrum (**).
Die Sonne hat bis heute also wahrscheinlich schon 18 bis 20 Umläufe vollzogen. Ihre Bahn
ist nicht völlig frei von Störungen bzw. Unregelmäßigkeiten. Gefährlich für ihre Planeten
und besonders das Leben auf der Erde sind die alle 63 Mio. Jahre (also 4mal pro
Zentrumsumlauf der Sonne) sich wiederholenden Durchgänge des Sonnensystems durch
das Magnetfeld der Milchstraße. Wieder zugenommen haben die Störungen bzw.
Unregelmäßigkeiten bei den letzten rund 2 bis 2½ Umläufen der Sonne um das
galaktische Zentrum - laut geschätzter Einschlagsrate auf der Erde. Das Sonnensystem
streift alle 63 Mio. Jahre (also 4mal pro Zentrumsumlauf der Sonne **) das Magnetfeld der
Milchstraße, was zu Störungen führt. Das Sonnensystem könnte auch ein Doppelsternsystem
sein, in dem ein Brauner Zwergstern (**|**) die Sonne umkreist und alle 31,5 Mio. Jahre
(also 8mal pro Zentrumsumlauf der Sonne) die Oortsche Wolke (**) durchquert.
Interessanterweise ist der Zyklus von 31,5 Mio. Jahren (also 8mal pro Zentrumsumlauf der
Sonne **) gleich dem Zyklus der Kreuzung der Sonne mit der Ebene der Milchstraße.
|Superkontinent Pangäa vor 250 Millionen Jahren.
|Superkontinent Novo-Pangäa in 250 Millionen
|Es könnte einen direkten Zusammenhang
geben zwischen dem Umlauf des Sonnensystems um das Zentrum der Milchstraße,
Einschlägen auf der Erde, der Anzahl an Bio-Arten auf der Erde, den Vereisungen auf der Erde und em Sauerstoffgehalt in der Atmosphäre der Erde.
|Der Umlauf der Sonne um das Zentrum der
Michstraße und das Leben auf der Erde
in der Zeit von vor rd. 500 Millionen Jahren bis vor rd. 250 Millionen Jahren.
|Der Umlauf der Sonne um das Zentrum der Michstraße
und das Leben auf der Erde
in der Zeit von vor rd. 250 Millionen Jahren bis heute.
I am sorry You may be having a tough time here, it will pass, as all things.
We have some pretty sensitive people here, maybe overly so.
We have some pretty sensitive people here, maybe overly so.
But philosophy must take a step back from culture and ask why certain cultural practices are followed. We need to preserve the freedom to ask even difficult and ugly questions.
In a sense, we are are living in a universe in which nothing is known: philosophers have argued exactly that for centuries. Look at the tradition of skepticism that runs through philosophy from the time of Socrates. We can't take anything for granted, and we can't rule out an argument because we find its conclusion reprehensible. That's irrational, it's fallacious, it's anti-philosophical.
I will stick to this position if it means we lose members; I have done so in the past. This site does not exist to please the masses, it exists to allow for the discussion and dissection of ideas.
And no, I still don't know what you mean by identification. Please elaborate.
Murder makes it hard for the victims of murder to philosophize too, and yet murder is a subject ripe for philosophy. As is the death penalty, or genocide, or any number of horrible acts that have seen philosophically interesting defenses. When we discuss murder, no one is dying because of it. When we discuss genocide, no people is being driven to extinction by our words. We are engaging the ideas, we aren't partaking in the actions.
Moral claims are philosophical claims. You are making the claim that pedophilia is so immoral that it is wrong to even attempt to explain why it is immoral (or perhaps one can offer an explanation, so long as that explanation is no longer critically examined). That is anti-philosophical.
Please don't misunderstand me: I believe pedophilia should be punished by death. But I am radically protective of people to express or advocate for any ideas, including ideas that, if acted upon, make them deserving of death.
ILP is not atheist or Christian, it is not utilitarian or deontological, it's not a dualist or a mind-brain identity theorist. On no philosophical question is ILP qua ILP asked to represent a perspective other than the love of philosophy itself. If you don't identify with that, that is your prerogative.
I think it's an anti-philosophical stance, but I acknowledge that most people have limits more restrictive than mine.
Does your claim not ultimately boil down to a moral statement, i.e. »pedophilia is very very wrong«?
If it does, in what sense is it not a question for philosophy?
Are you saying there are moral claims beyond the purview of philosophy?
It is clear what e.g. the ILP member David 8 says and »likes«. This is his/her avatar:
And this is his/her signature:
No »discussion« needed.
See also e.g. his/her thread: »DSM V: pedo not necessarily harmful; sexual orientation«.
Id feel good You aare on vacation, and me too, i am in Italy right now.
I too, send You my best. I do not want to loose a good friend.
The very best, Orbie
I know that certain ones of those people have drug issues, so you see them get bizarre now and then, and then straighten up a little, then get weird again.
I do believe in world peace, and i do believe it is possible to attain it, even though historical precedent does not bear that out.
But Marx was right in one thing, it is changing history, not interpreting it, that is essential.
Yes, and I am up in Sweden ....
Sweden and Germany have been screaming WELCOME to refugess via the media.
Recently the largest party here has become the Sweden Democrats, and anti-immigration party. They have a good number of assholes, but in general, now anyone who is concerned about immigration for any reason votes for them. What happens, Sweden welcomes the world. And there has been this amazing brain switch - affected no doubt by the use of that picture of the drowned 3 year old, for example - and now everyone is leaping over each other to give the most. The mob lives and is used!
Whatever vestige of democracy left over here will be taken away by incredibly cheap labor, more powerful corporations, poverty and the fear of being fired, lack of time and energy during stressed work and looking for work.
They keep saying that we have to have this influx or pensions will run out, but there must be another way to do this.
And just in the last year, before this latest stream of refugees, we have, for the first time ever, there are tent cities forming made up of EU migrants, mostly gypsies from Romania.
The landscape is changing rapidily. Hell, this may enact radical global change before they even manage to come up with real, strong AIs.
»I remember a time where you said that you lived in England and came from the US. Now you are saying that you are in Sweden. So am I right when I say that you live in Sweden and come from the US?«
Yes, from the US, live in Sweden. I have been in England for periods of time recently.
They haven't been screaming welcome, but Cameron reversed himself and started taking in larger numbers.
»Thanks for your response, Moreno. I think that the Europeans - the so-called Whites - try to train themselves in survival of the UNfittest. They or at least their rulers have become totalitarian auto-racists.
The following video is one I posted in the thread with the title Multiculturalism: Have You Been Culturally Enriched? (**).«
I am not quite sure what you mean by what Whites are doing. Wasn't that Ecclesiastes video? I grew up in NYC, so multiculturalism was pretty much a given. Not necessarily a politically correct variant, but simply that I grew up amidst many races and religions and my parents never once gave me the slightest agitated feeling if I came home with someone from another culture or race. My concerns about the current situation are primarily 1) economic 2) Swedens utter incompetence integrating other cultures and groups coupled with Muslim resistance to assimilation here. Following those is a general concern about Islam as a mindset. There are other mindsets that bother me also - say neocolonialism or the Christianity of much of middle America. But when I see a large influx of people with a certain mindset I have a problem with coupled with the fact that they already are not getting integrated here - as said, due to their own insularity and the Swedish incompetence - I see it as heading directly for very bad scenarios, which we have had local examples of here already with refugee shelters set on fire, a refugee killing random strangers and an utter inablity to discuss immigration without accusing instantly anyone with questions about current levels being called a racist. It's amazing that someone can be called a racist for being concerned about a group defined by what it believes and not by race. This confusion is never corrected in the media, even in letters to the editor.
I assume there are a couple of things going on: industry is hoping to finally and utterly destroy any labor power (like unions) and bring down wages; creating disorder and distraction. Now citizens will aim their hatred at either racists (or people who are purported to be racists) or they will aim their hatred at immigrants. Everyone will ignore what the power is actually doing and more money can be shifted into law enforcement and more laws allowing the panopticon. People will call for their own loss of freedom and privacy.
Anyway, that's my take.
»When I say that the »Whites - try to train themselves in survival of the UNfittest« I mean alomost what you mean when you speak about their »incompetence«. All European politicians are incompetent and corrupt.
OK, I get you more now.
»Europe was and is not New York. So multiculturalism was never given in Europe.«
I do get that. And there is a difference between de facto multiculturalism - most harbour towns are going to become this to some degree, especially if they are, say, on the Meditteranean Sea - where you simply have a number of races living in the same place, and multiculturalism the philosophy where one is instructed to view all cultures as the same and told not to judge and react to differences or even notice them.
»Perhaps the Europeans will become refugees at last.«
And there you have the origins of the 18th century US.
Sadly there will be nowhere to go. The US is a disaster, Australia and New Zealand will resist immigration without specialized needed skills - by Europeans that is - and from there I see little option.
Europe is the origin place of the Europeans. The US is the origin place of the so-called »Indians«.
Why is the US a disaster? (An info for you: I have nevre been to the US.)
Crime, homelessness, tremendous work instability, incredible law enforcement power, cities and counties going bankrupt, loss of the middle class ..., and all these things are in a positive feedback loop. Education is much harder to come and also less effective, less class mobility, less options for political activism and change, crime leading to more crime and yet also more surveillance and more law enforcement power. The solutions at best do nothing to address problems, often generally make the problems worse.
Why will Australia and New Zealand resist immigration? (I do not understand your term »without specialized needed skills - by Europeans that is«.)
For a European to get into those countries, he or she would need to demonstrate special skills - say, IT skills - that are needed. They cannot claim refugee status. And I don't think they will be able to unless there is an all out war in Europe. If Europe moves even more in the US direction, this will not be enough. If it becomes like the Balkans in the early 90s, OK, Australia and NZ would likely start taking people in.
I could see it becoming like the Balkans via the huge influx of immigrants, coupled with any violence they commit, any violence aimed at them - which will create a positive feedback loop - along with the increasing surveillance/law enforcement presence and power justified by the 'unrest' 'terrorism' 'radicals' (the last term including pretty much any possible political position). Once a more open fascism (or communist totalitarian) state situation arises via this process, more and more people will resist and these in turn will be labeled radicals. Toss in the economic crime, stress, housing shortages which will also add to chaos and calls for strong government intervention. I assume this will take place slowly, frog in slowly heated up water, until sort of wake up, after what has seemed obvious small changes, in a dystopia. I am not sure what I worry about most - technological global disasters like AI, nanotech, gm, biowarfare created nightmares or the way the elites are shifting the economies.
»A solution to the problem is certainly no easy thing, but recognizing that some solutions are actually worse than the problem is important too. We need to consider what age people can collect pensions, how many pensions are being paid out to people that really don't need them to get buy, what other Government programs might writing IOUs to the pension fund to pay for themselves, etc. Even with all that, it's possible that cuts would have to be made- there's no guarentee a State can afford everything they decide would be nice.« **
Cuts is fine. I Think people can deal with Cuts. IOW some amount of cutting would be accepted. But there are problems with the pension system already because of 2008. There isn't much swingroom for many pensioners. (not to mention that taxes will have to go up at least until the new immigrants get somewhat integrated). I have no idea if it would be enough. I suppose one could propose an Active immigration ad Campaign, to try to draw in people from other Western countries or highly educated people from anywhere - education has a negative correlation with birth rate amongst other potential positives like they go right into the workforce and so on. This is happening to some degree through industry and in some specialities like doctors and nurses. It could be broader and more aggressive.
The absurd thing is that integration is not as good here as in the US. This is caused by simple discomfort - in the US if you have the skills, selfishness will win out on the employer side, Comfort being prioritized lower, and also the fact that everyone in the US has more Contact with other Groups than people here - it is caused by racism on both sides. It is caused by incredible bureaucracy, it is caused by making people relearn all sorts of stuff and forcing people to go through rather long educations for stuff that in the US it is assumed common sense and on the job experience will master. You also have to learn English in addition to the native language. In the US your chancs of getting a good job naturally go up if you know English, but you don't have to learn, say, French also. Here you will have to learn or have already been fluent in English plus the native language. That slows down integration and even stops it with many. They also undervalue foreign educations and overvalue education in general. The pragmatic, can be learned via experience attitude in the US is a great benefit to integration.
So what we have is terrible integration, and now the Group that integrates worst - Arab/Muslims - is arriving en masse. Why it is assumed this will make the pension system work seems odd to me. Who to blame for the poor integration should be a secondary issue. Get good first then integrate if that is the choice. Not, throw thousands at a system that is not working making it even harder to reform.
I suppose these latter are arguments I would add to the one you made.
I actually taught incoming immigrants for a couple of years and have a less negative view of the incoming arabs/muslims that your, perhaps partly hyperbolic description of them. They do seem a Little insane to me, as do many Groups, and insane in the particular ways that their religion and states and Cultures of origin lead them to be. I am less than thrilled to have this worldview strenghtened here though it is not the only one I have serious problems with.
The fact that no one gets to talk critically about this issue publically as an identifiable individual without being labeled a racist should be considered a hate crime. **
Compare the examples of the black poulations with the examples of the other populations:
Besides cultural (cp. e.g. decadence and so on), economical (cp. e.g. welfare, debt, terror of consumption and so on) and other reasons there are also techn(olog)ical reasons (cp. e.g. machines and so on) for the decline of the so called developed population, the white population (and their »branches«). Cultural reasons lead - via economical reasons - to techn(olog)ical reasons, and the last ones make the decline complete by mechanical replacing. Machines are the modern »crown of creation«. ** **
thanks for the PM and the information in it.
I go off on a tangent below, but hey, it might be interesting.
I was starting to mull over similar things that you mentioned after asking Uccisore. I have seen that a lot of the immigrants, especially Muslim immigrants do not work. This is not just their fault. I taught them English for a while and I could see that many of the men were actually desperate to get work, especially the better educated ones. They were embarassed not to be working.I know how Swedes are. Even those who would argue for multiculturalism would have a very hard time having a conversation with a non-European and would balk at working with one. Simply because Swedes are terrified of losing Control, not knowing what to do, dealing with difference, having to be critical with words and so on. With other Swedes they can be critical almost without Words since Everything is so culturally uniform. They also have this rather extreme Jantelagen
and it is stricter here than in other Scandanavian countries. And this includes how you talk - restrained, few Words, monotone - and then goes outward from there to any divergences from a very controlled, humble stay in the background 'normalcy'.
I am sure other EU nations were also more monocultural and resistent to ALL difference, but since the swedes are basically on an Island and mostly lived out in the countryside until recently and had even internally very Little diversity - compared, say, with the larger more complex Germany even - they Think the way they do Everything is best. Which is true to some degree, but you would not Believe how specific and random this is. I Think however the Swedes have a tempermental streak that makes this more severe than in other countries. Even as an american I find myself judged as bizarre, my educations were undervalued, my driver's licence spat on, and so on in many instances where any person with intuition or rationality would Think: sure, their could be a few good ways of doing this. The norms here are very rigid. Note: this is not me saying all ways of doing things are of equal value. I do Think some ways are better than others, but here habit is confused with conclusions reached rationally or intuitively in other ways. I've gone back to the states a few times and seen in NYC how people form different classes and races talk to each other. And I realized that even the very racist deal with other races, openly and generally comfortably. They can work with each other and talk with passion to each other across these divides easily. American pragmatism and flexibility. (Just to be clear: I have no illusions about the downside of American character, or downsides I should say, and characters - I just noticed that the Swedes had their own insanities at the cultural level)
But, as said, whether it is parasitic behavior on the immigrant side or problems created by incredibly shy Control freak Swedes, the immigrants are generally not getting jobs at the rates of other Groups. They do better starting their own businesses, though this is also incredibly hard in Sweden. And yes, they are overrepresented in crime and I would guess also in Health care.
So, yes, they are not helping the pension system.
It is really terrible over here in Europe around this issue. There is only one possible motivation for having concerns about the number of immigrants/refugees. And that is racism. Which is bizzarre, apart from shutting down dialogue in a terrible way. In fact it is so badly handled that I can only assume that some people doing the handling want to shut down dialogue, want to create impasses, want to create internal strife and want to create extremists on both sides who cannot talk but must be violent. I can believe in systemic stupidity. This certainly happens. But when the pattern is complete with no holes, then I begin to suspect that what seems simply like stupidity is actually at least also clever strategic choices with a cover story. **
»I think the Scandinavian people have a bit more in common with the English people than with the German (Austrian and Swiss people included) or Dutch (Flemish people incluided) people. But I do not think that this matters much.« **
They definitely feel somewhat English to me. My father was English (he's dead) and I understood many things about the Swedes upon arrival, it seemed in any case. They are much more held back than the English however - which is saying something. The English have an art of communication - as opposed to the expressive focus of American communication - and the Swedish view communication as only for information and try to minimize it. I can't say if they are closer to the English than they are to the Germans. Given their roots they should be closer to the Germans, but I can't tell. My best friend is German but he is an oddball and gives me no insight into the culture as a whole, at least not as an example of it.
»Is it right that you work or worked as a teacher, Moreno? If so, then we have something in common and know the motivation and the motivation of pupils and students.« **
They were not very motivated to learn English and their was an undercurrent hatred of Swedes. I was generally well liked, but I think that was the American more blunt and open communication they appreciated - The Muslims that is. I was likely much more comfortable with them than the Swedes, at least on the personal level. Cross cultural stuff is second nature to me and I tend to get along fine - in limited contact that is - with crazy people, children, other species, developmentally disabled, addicts, criminals so being in a room with people from other cultures, especialy a mix of cultures is fine with me. Every now and then I caught a glimpse of the medieval mindset in there and that was unpleasant.
What did you / do you teach?
»You also said that education has a negative correlation with birthrate - that is right. It is also right that the wealth correlates negatively with the birthrate. But this negative aspects do not justify the politics of the Anti-European rulers. The reverse is true, as I alraedy pointed out in many posts and in my last two personal messages. The pension systems, maybe the whole European states, and other systems of the European societies will collapse, if this terrible rulers (Glozis: Glo[balna]zis) will continue their destroying work.« **
I agree. And as you've said, their 'solution' is not a solution.
»By the way, Moreno: I like your avatar very much. Maybe we have something more in common, for example: loving the beauty of nature, especially trees.« **
Yes, nature, trees, many mammals, wilderness. I have lived outside a good deal. Every time I see a city - in a movie or photograph - it makes me feel ill. I mean, I can enjoy a city, though I would prefer to visit one then be in it. But there are too many and they are too huge and they are creating vast amounts of garbage and poison. It breaks my heart.
»The Swedish and the Germans separated about 2500-2700 years ago; the Anglo-Saxons (the Angles and the Saxons) and the Germans separated 1500-1600 years ago; so according to this aspect the Germans are a bit closer to the English than to the Swedish.« **
But the Swedes are more unmixed in their roots. The English also have that whole Norman period which influenced language and culture. I suppose I considered the Swedish culture and Swedes as solely coming from Germany, whereas the English are more a mixture.
»May I ask you why your German friend - your best friend, as you aid - lives in Sweden?« **
He lives in Germany. Unfortunately for me.
»I teach mathematics, physics, economics (mainly: mathematical economics), and sometimes also English, namely as an intensive teacher, a private tutor. In the past I also teached university students.« **
Can you make a living as a tutor?
»I totally agree, Moreno.« **
I've also taught at University level: Creative Writing, literature, philosophy, hypnosis - it was a strange class, let me tell you -, comparative religion.
»I think that the Norman period is overestimated.« **
And I just read Norman, means men from the North, so there was a Scandanavian (via Vikings) element to it.
The language portion it would seem to me would be big, but this kind of thing is very hard for me to judge. There is also some Celtic blood in there.
»Where in Germany does your friend live?« **
In the Munich area.
»It was easieer in the past than it is currently; but my wife has a job too. I think that money is not as important as the mainstream media suggests.« **
I agree. Enough to get by is all.
Though the older I get the harder it is to get by.
Or it was moving to Sweden, not sure.
We probably wandered around very similar Woods with very similar trees. I spent a lot of time in the NE Woods of the US, so once, long ago the ancestors of those trees were part of the same forest as yours. **
Yes. I think you are referring to this:
Yup, hence many of the same species and the feel of the forest would have been similar.
Sweden has very good woods.
»But the Celts never settled in Scandinavia.« **
No I meant in England and not via Scandinavia.
»Have you visited him there?« **
No, I seen him in the US and he's come to visit. This is actually the first period since I moved to Sweden that I have the possibility of visiting him. Most of our friendship has been on the phone.
Though the older I get the harder it is to get by.
»How so?« **
I just seem to spend more money. On food and other basics. Prices have gone up and I think in real terms, not simply in terms of inflation. When I was younger I also lived in fairly crappy housing in the middle of nowhere, so to speak. Here I moved to my wife's city, so expenses have gone up.
»May I ask you how old you are?« **
»You mean the reason why it is harder to get by for you? Norway has become expensive since the Norwegians found the oil in the North Sea. But the rest of Scandinavia is not very expensive. Right?« **
It is hard for me to say. I always kept my expenses and earnings low in the US. I wanted time for creative pursuits and would work as little as I could to get by financially. It seems expensive here, but I can only compare it to a quite different situation in the US. Norway is definitely more expensive, though the salaries are higher also.
I have been, just a little bit, in German woods and it felt familiar. **
Where have you been exactly?« **
Freiburg and outside Freiburg, that's it.
But the long winters, lack of sunlight so much of the year, drives me crazy. **
But there is the opposite of that too: lack of darkness so much of the year.« **
Sure, but there is so much, you miss it. I think there is a net loss. But there is something wonderful about the summers, I grant you that. I mean, on a sunny day, even if you miss 12 hours of sunshine, you have a good chance of getting some.
»Maybe I should come to Sweden again. I visited Sweden only once, namely in 1980.« **
So you are perhaps not much younger than me, unless you were a kid with your parents then.
»How long have you been living in Sweden? And do you intend to stay in Sweden for the rest of your life?« **
I don't know. We don't know. It would be nice to spend some part of winters in a warmer place. We both feel some attraction to moving to the US, though we have mixed feelings about this. Further I would have to convince immigration that I could support my wife there, so I would need a job in advance. I am not sure how I would get that at this point.
»So your wife is Swedish?« **
»But that is not the reason why it is harder to get by for you, right?« **
That's a little hard to say. My age and being married probably play a role. When I was younger I lived in cheaper apartments. Or, possibly, it is simply that in the US an apartment can get more run down and still be a legal abode to rent out. In any case I tolerated a lower and less expensive standard. We live pretty simply here, but the rent is higher - though our building turned coop and we bought this apartment. Still the loans and the maintenance payments are fairly high. At least compared with the rural prices I paid in Vermont. I can't Picture us living in something cheaper. We have hobbies that take up space, not that the Place is big, but pretty much the only way to reduce the price would be to get a smaller Place. A one room apartment instead of a one bedroom. And that would drive me crazy.
We could live in the countryside and may well do this. But I hate commuting, so I would need a very short commute or my own Company.
Yes, I was really impressed by Freiberg. Such care in most things. The small unique shops, the little streams running through the streets, the bridges and small streets. I loved that the cemetaries were wild. Plants growing over boundaries and trees lifting up paths and stones and leaning over walls. Even private gardens and the plants around trees in the street were allowed to be wilder than I have seen anywhere else. And Sweden, ugh. They control all plant life in the city. I wanted to move to Freiburg after I was there.
»Of getting some what?« **
Sunlight. Perhaps an hour of sunset at 900 for example.
»I was born in December 1956. In about six weeks I will celebrate my 59th byrthday.« **
Ah, older than me.
»We went by car - by a convertible VW Käfer (VW Beetle) - to Sweden in 1980. There was a meeting of convertible VW-Käfer drivers. This meeting was in the middle of Sweden.« **
I've known a lot of VW owners, mainly hippies, back when I was younger, seen the inside of a lot of VW engines.
Anyway, if you and you wife come to Trelleborg my wife and I can meet you for a meal at least. We are up in Malmö.
»So you can't get in the US, because your wife is a foreigner, although you are - or at least were - an US citizen?« **
Well, if I was 100% sure, and aimed at it with great passion, I think we would find a way to get in. But yes, she cannot work without a green card. I have a rather strange, spotty work history. So we would need to be very convincing to the immigration people that it would all go well financially before they would let her in to stay.
»If a foreigner wants to live in Germany for ever, he or she does not need to fulfil any qualification. The best thing is to have nothing, if a foreigner wants to live in Germany for ever. That is no joke!« **
Yes, same here, of course.
»So you would have to commute, if you lived in the countryside. What about the surrounding area of Malmö or another city?« **
We are looking at other cities and right now I am looking for work. I quite about two months ago. Around Malmö it is fields and farms, quite treeless. Not my cup of tea.
»You have just said both Freiberg and Freiburg; but there a many Freibergs and many Freiburgs, and you have meant the famous Freiburg im Breisgau, I think.« **
Yes, that is the one, I meant. Pardon my fast sloppy typing.
»Excuse me: at 900? Did you mean at 9 o'clock?« **
»We can meet us for a meal then. That is a very good idea.« **
»And you both can only get in the US, if she (a) has a job and (b) has enough money and (c) is healthy enough and (d) ... so on. Does that also refer to you? Can you also not get in the US, if you (a) have no job and (b) have not enough money and (c) are not healthy enough and (d) ... so on?« **
No, I can just go there. And if I messed up or got sick, whatever social supports are left there would apply to me. So, I could just move there anytime on my own. In fact a rational method would be for me to move there, find a job, starting earning money, then bring my wife over. But frankly, I would find that really unpleasant.
»Why are so many Hispanics in the US? Did they all (a) have a job and (b) have enough money and (c) are healthy enough and (d) ... so on?« **
Well, there were many there when the US kinda stole the Southwest and California from Mexico. But then of course many slide over the border.
There is a difference from people coming into Europe.
Latinos tend to work. But sure, the green card thing gets bypassed. Of course they live under threat the whole time, threat of deportation. But this is clearly worth it if they are leaving abject poverty, or left it years ago.
»Why do the immigrants not go to Israel and Saudia Arabia? Okay, Israel and Saudia Arabia are the causer of that problem. But I see no reason why all those Arabian and African immigrants should come to some certain European countries. I do not want to support the mafia poliltics we have been experiencing for so long.« **
Interestingly I think both SAudi ARabia and Israel referred to the Syrian refugees as including many terrorists, as part of their motivation for not wanting them. But I am sure money and religion have a lot to do with it also.
»You should come to Germany.« **
What part do you live in?
»So if you will have a job in the US, then it will be no problem to bring your wife there. But why do you find that unpleasant?« **
1) I would have to leave her for some unknown period of time. I don't like to do that. 2) I would have to get a job that included Health Insurance that covered her, I think. I doubt I would really want that job. 3) I would have to apply for jobs in the US. I wouldn't enjoy that either. I am applying here in Sweden, but it is not the same kind of job market. The US is more aggressive around all aspect of work, including interviews.
»Okay, but the attack with the stolen land as its result happened in the 19th century. If this is a serious argument, then all White US citizens have to leave the US, because they stole the whole US land from the Indians (natives) and stole the Blacks from Africa in order to use them as slaves.« **
I am not saying White people should not be in the southwest. I am just saying that's part of why so many Latinos are there.
»They are cheap workers, at least cheaper than the US workers, and that is the argument of those who want cheap workers. Is there anybody who wants expensive workers?« **
They certainly start cheap, the Latinos, though their expectations go up from there. But my point was that in contrast with the current immigrants to Europe, the Latinos tend to want to work and their culture fits better with US work culture - and vice versa. I am not saying it is ideal or ok, just that what happens works in a way that immigration to Europe from the Middle East does not. You do not end up with huge parts of cities with people who do not work and who are supported by the social system.
»The cheap, cheaper, and cheapest workers are the target of the employers as long as machines do not replace them.« **
Yes, I agree.
»As you know, I live in the Saltus Teutoburgiensis which is the Latin name for the Teutoburger Wald (Teutoburg Forest). I live in the south of the Teutoburger Wald, not far from the Sauerland. So I live in a wood, a woodland, a forest, and close to many other woods, woodlands, forests.« **
»I was born and grown up in a village in the northwest of the Teutoburger Wald. As a young adult I lived in several cities. Since October/November 1997 I have been living in the countryside again.« **
It's interesting. Partly you seem like, say in US terms, a libertarian - me using the term vaguely referring to someone from the right, but the anarchist side of the right - but there is also this potentially hippie element with the lower interest in amassing Money and likely things, love of nature. Of course the categories are false and actually part of the problem. But I noticed this and thought to mention it.
And I suppose it is fair to describe myself in these kinds of shallow terms. I grew up amongst liberals, but was more of a radical. So anarchist on the left, and often quite politicially correct, in the modern very limited sense. But then I found the limitations of this and now ALSO have opinions and reactions that would be considered right wing by many in my former circles. In any case extreme skepticism of both governmental and Corporate Power - with many Conspiracy theories thrown in the mix of my beliefs. I have a pagan belief system and love of nature also, which certainly overlapped with the beliefs of hippies and others on the left, but then also can fit with more right wing versions of paganism and love of nature.
1) I understand. .... What does she say?« **
She just had a grandkid, so there is certainly no rush.
She'd be home with friends and family if I went ahead to the US first, so that's much less of a problem. Right now she is talking about Ibiza, but that's more for a vacation.
»Yes. That is absolutely right. So the question is: Cui bono? What is the use for whom? In a demographical, economical, and cultural sense: Israel, Saudi Arabia, and some others on the one hand, USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and some others on the other hand. There is competition / struggle everywhere, and it does not matter whether and who/what is - for example - militarily allied. It is called globalisation but it is global war (at least in a demographical, economical, and cultural sense). And Europe is the loser.« **
Cheap labor increases elite power. Civil tensions allow for more state control and more law enforcement and more focus between the relatively powerless. Native see intruders and the problem or their landsmen as the problem if they do not accept the intruders. Everyone stops focusing on what the elites are doing. Economic strife reduces the ability to agitate, lobby, fight for justice in relation to the elites. Overall distraction and disempowerment of citizens. That benefits elites.
»I like nature very much, especially in autum and spring, when one can see beautiful colors and more change than in winter and summer. Nature is not all what I like, but it is one of my favorites.« **
Yes, I also like things that humans have designed and created. Soem of them that is.
»I have never been to the US, but I think I know that liberals in US terms are not liberals in European terms.
Politically I am a part of the opposition. If one is polically correct, then this one is part of the dictatorship.
Skepticism is needed.
If there is a non-pagan religion as a part of a dictatorship, I am a pagan; if there is a pagan religion as a part of a dictatorship, I am a non-pagan. I am not against religion, because if I were, that would be like being against human life. I am against dictatorship, regardless which one. The name Arminius stands for freedom. Arminius fighted for freedom - against the real Barbarians: the Romans ....« **
»A grandkid? Congratulations!« **
»My wife and I spent our yearly third holidays in Menorca this year (September/October) and also last year ((September/October). Menorca has mainly English and German guests, Mallorca has mainly German guests, and Ibiza has alo German guests, but I do not know whether mainly or not. So do you know more about the guests of Ibiza?« **
According to what I can find on the internet, Spanish and English tourists.
»In any case, yes. That is what I am also telling when it comes to that theme. The so-called elites benefit; the gap between rich and poor widens more and more and becomes an insurmountable border. At last there will be only the rich as one kind of the species and the poor as the other kind of the species. States, nations and something like that will disappear. I can guarantee you.« **
I tend to argue that they are gone. A little hyperbole, but I think better for the discussion. And I do mean a little. I don't think the European nations exist really anymore. They are not quite like states in the US, but between the EU, Nato and corporations I do not see they as players. I see them as avatars through which players act.
»To me parks and the buildings around them, cemeteries and the buildings around them, all cultural buildings, provided that I really like them, are as interesting and beautiful as nature is.« **
Yes, I also like those things. And as I said I was very taken by German gardens - smaller private ones - and cemetaries. I hate Versaille-like gardens, not that I have ever been there.
Have you taken part in Know Thyself, Satyr's forum? **
»No - unfortunately or fortunately. Can you tell me anything about that forum?« **
The forum centers on Satyr, a Greek American, I believe, and his philosophy and perhaps even more so his personality. He's a smart guy and an abrasive condescending personality. There's interesting arguments there and I have learned from interacting with him, less so from the site in general. His followers are pretty uninteresting minds. And yes, followers, is a good term, not that all of the people there are that. I encountered him years ago and he used to be a better communicator. He would actually address points made. Now he sees outlines, makes assumptions and hurls lectures and insults.
»But it is not your grandkid, right? Is it the only grandkid she has or even you both have?« **
Right, not mine. And yes, only grandkid. I have to say I don't feel a super strong Connection to this child. Maybe later. If I had been more of a father to her son, then I would, but we were more like roomates. A good relationship, but he does not feel like my son. And we are friends now, even work on creative projects together nowadays. But the three of them feel like family.
»I have two children, and they are already adults and have no children, although they could have children. So I am not a grandfather yet but hope to become one soon.« **
I can imagine.
»The Europeans are gone? If you say that they are gone, then you say what the rulers wnat you to say: 700 Million or even 1.2 billion (including the Europeans from all other regions of the world) humans are just gone, and it does not matter, because they were evil humans anyway. The Europeans exist, of course, and the European nations also exist, but more in a negative than in a positive sense, because the global rulers need them fore their negative projections in order to control them even more efficiently.« **
Of course the Europeans are still here, but the nation states do not seem to be to me. I see corporate and EU power centers. The former controlling the party systems and the latter dissolving states. (There is also the media induced monoculture pouring mainly out of the US, also from corporations.) I do not think citizens have Power in these countries and can function as controllers of their nations. Decisions are made by other players, not even the nation governments, which act as fronts. Of course there is some swingroom. Organizationally and how power flows there are many problems with nationstates having identity and self control. But beyond that it is people's illusions and brainwahsed assumptions that play a role. This has potential for shifting, but I am not optimistic.
»This nations are no players in the globalistic sense, because in the globalistic sense players are private players (gloabl banks, global undertakers / companies, global organizations, global NGO's, ... and so on). But nations will as long exist as they will be needed as negative porjections by those said global players who can control them more efficiently, if they remain nations. In other words: the rulers of nations are bought by the global rulers (private gloabl players). Maybe the nations will vanish in the future, but currently they are still needed, namely for negaitive projection affairs.« **
There have been plans after Nafta to unify North America. But this will also meet a lot of resistance. So they have been eroding all boundaries and economic separations, without unifying in someformal way like the EU.
Yes, they are not so natural; everything is symmetrical, too much artificial, too absolutistic, too French.« **
I have a hard time with French Culture. I generally do not like their films or Music, for the most part. I do not like the day to day temperment. I do not like their gardens or architecture. It is one of the last countries in Europe I would want to move to - setting aside economic and safety issues. IOW yes, I would choose France over Rumania, but man I have a problem with France. My parents even met there, in Paris, so in terms of nurture I had two French language speakers (as second languages) in my home who were attracted by French Culture, at least my father was, but I still prefer Spain, Germany, Italy as far as I can tell.
»Do you still post there?« **
»Three? You mean him and his parents, I think.« **
»Do you have children?« **
»So we agree at least in the main points. I say that if you want to destroy something, then this something must be still there. So The Europeans and their nations are still there. If they were not, then the rulers could not destroy them.« **
For me it is not so binary. I Think the Europeans are still here, but the nation states are mostly destroyed.
»Are your parents French?« **
No, English and Irish Canadian.
»Should I join that forum?« **
I don't know. You might enjoy it.
»I do not want to change the subject, but my wife - having read some of your ILP posts - told me to ask you whether you are interested in homeopathy (homoeopathy). She is a homeopath (homoeopath).« **
I have certainly been treated by homeopaths, though I must say, as much as I respect it, it does not seem to work on me as well as herbal medicine, something I know much more about. I utterly loved the first time I Went to a homeopath and he asked me things like 'which side of your body to do you sleep on?' than jumped to 'how do you get along with your mother?' in this seemingly endless series of trivial, important, highly emotionally charged, and other kinds of questions. I think the characters of the various salts. I like the ideas involved. But as a treatment modality for me, I am afraid I have decided to focus on others.
»Do you have children?« **
Yes, Unfortunately I met my wife a little late in the game. The other women I have been with, I am glad I did not have a Child with.
»States are not completely destroyed yet but will be in the relatively near future.
Are you scared because of that?« **
Or do you think what the real (not the fashionable) punks said: no future? Or they said that because they were scared, even more scared than others?« **
Yes, I am scared of what is happening and what I think the next stages will look like. I think the punks tended to be on the angry side. I think people tend to have a tendency either towards fear or anger. I would tend to think the punks felt more than the average in general. Bluster it was perhaps, but still, I can undertand the urge to state the worst as if it has happened.
»Have you been to Ireland too? I visited Ireland in 1980 (it was about six weeks after my visit of Denmark and Sweden [I told you]), after I had visited England, Scotland, and - really - Northern Ireland (I am a man of risk!) and before I went to Wales and England (again).« **
I haven't been to Ireland. Would like to. Though right now warmth calls more.
»She often says to me I would not take it seriously.« **
WELL, she probably knows you well enough to know. I do take it seriusly, but it doesn't seem to be the best approach for me.
»I think we should exactly perceive what happens, think about it, and properly conclude. We have to dod it - at least for ourselves, for our lives, for our children, grandchildren, and all the next generations. We are not 100% powerless. We should try to stop the globalisic crime and madness, but we should not do it as a part of that globalistic system. We should be the living opposition.« **
I agree that we are not powerless, though my sense of my own Power is more on the non-newtonian, non-political side. Not that I am a magician or anything, but I have a sense that causation is more complicated than we have been taught, and that there are ways to shift things out there that do not involve force or persuasion or any methods that one normally Thinks of as currently accepted within physics. I am not saying one should not do other things, I just Think the chances that activism or any kind are going to shift things.
»Warmth, yes. So maybe you should spend a few weeks in the tropics?« **
Yes, I am even looking for work in warmer places.
»I take it seriously, but she wants me to take it more seriously.« **
Ah, well, that's good. I have seen so many relationships where one person, usually the man, is the realist or really the 'realist' and the woman gets to be the alternative, non-mainstream person, and each yearns for the other to come across the divide. Here it sounds like the divide is not so big, perhaps with just the right dynamic created by the differences.
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