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One can be »sure enough«, although one can never be absolutely certain. **
Certainty can only be obtained of principles, not current physical situations (in the midst of their changes). **
The issue in life and mind is to be certain ENOUGH to obtain MIJOT. **
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»My theory is that in our universe bodies move in a spiral-cyclical way.
The orbits of both moons around their planets and the planets around their stars, and even the stars around their galactic center clearly do not describe circles or ellipses, but spirals. For example, while our Sun spirally orbits the center of our galaxy, the Earth spirally orbits the sun, and our Moon spirally orbits the Earth. For bodies that move around bodies, which also move around bodies, do not move two-, but three-dimensionally. They move spirally and thus also cyclically, more precisely said: in a spiral-cyclical way. If something moves around a body or a point which does not move around another body or point and is not moved in a different way by external forces, then (and only then) can this (and only this) motion be two-dimensional.« ** **
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Arminius wrote:
»Harbal. Is there no chance to come together again?« ** **
I hope not, it would be the worse possible thing for both of us. I think too much has happened, too much bitterness. **
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5072 |
Yes there is. Until there is a will, there is always a way! **
5073 |
Long before technology, the best idea a wise man could have would be to retire from the world. He would realize imposing human will on reality and the planet earth interferes with its perfection. Earth without humans would be better not worse. **
Today people are the opposite, AND they have technology, which changes everything. **
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And how does that effect everything? **
5078 |
If we can't change, then there is no use trying to change.
Human limits can be stretched. **
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Arminius wrote:
»In what way do you want to stretch them?« ** **
Mostly in the field of morality and medicine. **
5080 |
He shows the Sun traveling in a spiraling helix. A helix travel requires a center line/curve to be traveling around. The Sun is shown orbiting that center line (in the same way as the planets are orbiting the Sun) as it travels around the galactic center. What is causing the Sun to orbit like that while also orbiting the galactic center? **
5081 |
I have heard their health system is bad but I wouldn't know (as I am fortunate enough to not live in the US) and I generally don't consider Americans as being that important. **
5082 |
I wish you all the best and good luck. I am pretty sure that you are going to manage it in a good way, your way. ** **
So again: I wish you all the best and good luck. I am pretty sure that you are going to manage it in a good way, your way. ** **
However, ... it is his way, and I am pretty sure that his way is a good way. ** **
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The German government called upon the population today to store up food and water for at least two weeks in case of a possible armed aggression and oncoming catastrophe. **
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Arminius wrote:
»Schrödingers Katze:
As long as there is no observer who makes a measurement, the cat remains both alive and dead.« ** **
Kind of makes you wonder ..., what if 1000 people glanced into the box at the same time? Which one determined whether the cat lived? **
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Is Socialism really that bad? **
What will replace capitalism? **
Capitalism will not completely be replaced by anything, at least not in the near future. We have to ask what "capitalism" really means and come to the answer that it is not less but also not more than a "techno-creditism", because credit is needed in order to accumulate capital and to pay the also needed technological inventions and investments. Globalism as the currently dominating system is already a synthesis of capitalism (techno-creditism) and socialism (communism). So capitalism is more replaced than it was in the past (from about the last thrird of the 18th till about the end of the first half of the 20th century, when the Keynesianism began), but it also has been increasing. Keynesianistic capitalism means making, contracting debts in an exponentially increasing way.
In the long run, capitalism will probably be replaced by something (perhaps a new feudalism) coming after a disaster.
Or:
John Maynard Keynes wrote: »In the long run we are all dead.« ** **
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Correction, we are already living under neo feudalism. It's a technocratic oligarchy neo feudal world. **
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Philippines' Rodrigo Duterte threatens to leave UN
Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte has threatened to »separate« from the UN after it criticised his war on drugs as a crime under international law.
Mr Duterte said he might ask China and African nations to form another body. He also accused the UN of failing on terrorism, hunger and ending conflicts.
Mr Duterte, elected in May, has sanctioned the killing of traffickers to try to wipe out the drugs trade.
The UN has repeatedly condemned the drive as a violation of human rights. (
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Some 900 suspected drug traffickers have been killed since Mr Duterte was elected on 9 May.
Duterte: »Punisher« to president.
Last week, two UN human rights experts said Mr Duterte's directive for police and the public to kill suspected drug traffickers amounted to »incitement to violence and killing, a crime under international law«.
In an expletives-laden tirade against the UN on Sunday, Mr Duterte branded the experts »stupid«, saying they should count the number of innocent lives lost to drugs.
»I do not want to insult you. But maybe we'll just have to decide to separate from the United Nations«, he said.
»If you are that rude, we might just as well leave«, he said.
»So take us out of your organisation. You have done nothing. Where were you here the last time? Never. Except to criticise«, he said.
Mr Duterte said the UN should refund its contribution »so we can go out«.
Mr Duterte said the UN had been unable to combat hunger and terrorism and had failed to end the killing of civilians in Iraq and Syria.
»You now, United Nations, if you can say one bad thing about me, I can give 10 [about you]. I tell you, you are [useless]. Because if you are really true to your mandate, you could have stopped all these wars and killings.«
UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon and the UN's Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) have both condemned Mr Duterte's »apparent endorsement of extrajudicial killings, which is illegal and a breach of fundamental rights and freedoms«.
Mr Duterte was sworn in as president in June, after winning a landslide election victory.
He had previously been mayor of the country's third biggest city, Davao, for 22 years where his tough approach and controversial comments earned him the nickname »The Punisher«. **
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Is love the answer to the world's problems? **
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My official position on this matter is that there is already a war in Europe (it's just a different type of war) and it's a war that will get a lot worse as time progresses. **
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I live in the central Australian desert, in an Aboriginal community, with a population of 200 people but I originally come from Eastern Europe. **
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Determinists are people who have a different logic but they still emotionally respond to the world according to illogical processes (they are not robots). **
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Logic is merely keeping your words straight. Illogic is not keeping them straight. So yeah, quite often people do not keep their words straight (else there wouldn't be all of this confusion keeping everyone blind from what is really going on behind their backs and under their radar. **
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The CBR is the natural harmonic resonance of the universe. It is created by everything moving and being affected by everything else moving. Extremely distant light photons eventually fade into becoming merely a part of the ocean of subtle motion.
It is impossible for the universe to not have a resonance and it is impossible for photons to stay in form forever. With every electron and proton spinning, orbiting and vibrating, each being affected by the others, a subtle resonance must form. If the CBR isn't that resonance, then what is? **
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I will eventually be out here for a total of 7 years (sometimes people only last a day before they quit). **
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Arminius wrote:
»But what caused it to become just the a backgrond radiation, if there was neither a »big bang« nor an »inflation phase« of the universe?
I guess, I know your answer: Affectance.« ** **
I see. You are thinking that the CBR is coming FROM a background somewhere, right? It isn't. They noticed that no matter what direction they aim their antenna, they get the same subtle microwave frequency. **
The signal is EVERYWHERE. It isn't coming FROM anywhere in particular. **
It is formed and sustained by the affects and counter affects of subatomic particles in motion. It is impossible to form a steady state condition of affectance in space. There must always be harmonic »vibrations« (the CBR) happening throughout all space all of the time. The precise frequency should vary a little from region to region and as large events take place such as collisions or explosions.
The affectance field really does »connect« literally everything through its microwave level vibrations. If one can listen carefully enough to the changes in that vibration, one can detect an amazing number of things thought to be impossible to know. **
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I use the word »vortex« a little differently than that. Technically the galaxies are vortices, but when I say »ortex«, I always mean a spiral that is elongated along a center line in the third dimension.
If the galaxy center is traveling faster than and orthogonal to its plane of rotation, then it would be a vortex. I don't know that the center is traveling any faster or slower than the rest of the galaxy. And if it isn't, I would refer to it only as a »spiral«. **
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There is not always a positive trend after a recession. The Great Depression in the 1930's is an example. **
In 2008, the US was able to avoid depression, which most economists (at least, the ones not in the pocket of the GOP and FOX News - the apologists for the right wing policies that caused the recession in the first place) knew that depression was a very real threat. Had we elected a Republican in 2008 and had further tax cuts for the rich alongside a further escalation of the pointless, losing wars we are fighting, depression would almost certainly have proven inevitable.
But regardless, the point is not simply that there has been a positive trend, but rather that America's recovery from the recession (which started in the US but became global in short order) was demonstrably stronger than the recovery of any other advanced nation in the world. That indicates that the recovery as it happened was not just a matter of course, but a matter of policy decisions. The US recovery almost certainly could have been even stronger than it has been, but obviously partisan politics put severe restraints on what can and cannot be done in response to economic calamities such as we saw starting around 06-07. Nonetheless, the federal government's response with Obama at the helm has been very different than it would have been with a Republican at the helm. **
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More people working means more people getting laid off or quitting. Just like more people driving means more people getting speeding tickets and getting in accidents. **
You just told me i was off topic and then repeated me. In any case, i'm glad we can agree on this, at least. **
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Nonetheless, a rise in the number of immigrant workers does not mean fewer jobs for natives (though, in the US, i'm not sure how you even draw a line between immigrants and natives after a generation in the workforce), not when the native population is increasing alongside the immigrant population, as it has been throughout the time period covered by your example. Indeed, as it has been throughout US history. That's just arithmetic. **
But, i don't speak your first language at all, while you do speak mine. What good would it be for you to start speaking to me in your first language, as i wouldn't understand what you've said? **
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Political correctness is beside the point .... **
The economic reality is that women, when they are afforded the opportunity to work, contribute as much, if not more, to the economy as men, so it is not a negative economic indicator that more women are doing jobs traditionally done exclusively by men.
By the way, the belief that any given job should be done by men rather than women is also a form of political correctness. **
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Questions of justice are intrinsically linked with economic realities. **
It is demonstrably untrue that »the overall population of the US rises just because of the immigration« (**|**). **
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In fact, that is about as blatant a falsehood as i have seen on ILP in a good long while. i am trying to give you the benefit of the doubt that your inability to provide honest counterarguments .... **
And your inability to comprehend how the statements i make pertain to the discussion at hand, are a product of the fact that English is your 2nd language, but when you say things like that, i begin to wonder. **
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You need reputable sources. **
Mine come from the US bureau of employment statistics, and from mainstream press throughout Europe and the US (as opposed to ILP threads and obscure sensationalist internet articles by unapologetic right wing demagogues.). **
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In any case, the statement »you are not right, because you are left« (**|**), demonstrates that you are simply being reactionary - that is, not concerned with the truth, but merely with protecting and espousing a particular (flawed and anachronistic) ideology. **
You don't seem to understand what left and right mean relative to US politics. Perhaps this was not the best discussion to have with someone who knows American life only from far distance.
5129 |
You don't make money out of nothing, you make money by providing goods and services. **
That is why the economic policy of the American right wing, which rests on the pillar of cutting taxes for the wealthy, thus incentivizing speculation (gambling) and rent-seeking, and disincentivizing the production of goods and provision of services (i.e. - actually working for a living) has been so incredibly destructive to the US economy in particular and by extension to the global economy.
And, while that is decidedly NOT the »end of story«, it is the root of our current economic woes. **
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Proxima Centauri b (also called Proxima b) is an exoplanet orbiting within the habitable zone of the red dwarf star Proxima Centauri, the closest star to the Sun. It is located about 4.2 light-years (1.3 parsecs, 40 trillion km, or 25 trillion miles) from Earth in the constellation of Centaurus. It is the closest known exoplanet to the Solar System and the closest potentially habitable exoplanet known.
In August 2016, the European Southern Observatory announced the discovery of the planet. Shortly after the discovery, researchers investigating the habitable potential of Proxima b suggested that the exoplanet may be the nearest possible location for life beyond our solar system. Researchers think that its proximity to Earth offers an opportunity for robotic exploration of the planet in the future.
The planet was found using the radial velocity method, where periodic Doppler shifts of spectral lines of the host star suggest an orbiting object. From these readings, the component of its velocity relative to the Earth is about 5 km/h (3 mph). ....
This artists impression shows a view of the surface of the planet Proxima b orbiting the red dwarf star Proxima Centauri, the closest star to the Solar System. The double star Alpha Centauri AB also appears in the image to the upper-right of Proxima itself. Proxima b is a little more massive than the Earth and orbits in the habitable zone around Proxima Centauri, where the temperature is suitable for liquid water to exist on its surface.
Artist's conception of Proxima Centauri b along with the Alpha Centauri binary system.
.... Proxima Centauri b orbits its host star every 11.186 days at a semi-major axis distance of approximately 0.05 astronomical units (7,000,000 km; 5,000,000 mi), which is 5% of 1 AU (thus, Earth is 20 times farther away from its own host star, the Sun). Comparatively, Mercury, the closest planet to the Sun, has a semi-major axis distance of 0.39 AU. Proxima Centauri b receives from its host star about 65% of the amount of solar flux that the Earth receives from the Sun. However, Proxima Centauri b receives about 400 times more X-ray flux than the Earth receives.
The habitability of Proxima Centauri b has not been established. The exoplanet was announced as orbiting within the habitable zone of Proxima Centauri, the region where, with the correct conditions and atmospheric properties, liquid water may exist on the surface of the planet. Its host star is a red dwarf, with about an eighth of the mass of the Sun. Low-mass stars like Proxima Centauri burn for about 4 trillion years, ~330 times longer than the Sun will.
Proxima Centauri b is close enough to its star that it might be tidally locked, a state in which, over the course of an orbit, no net transfer of angular momentum occurs between a planet and its host star. If the planet's orbital eccentricity is 0, this could result in synchronous rotation, with one blazing hot side permanently facing towards the star, while the opposite side is permanently dark and freezing cold.
Proxima Centauri b's orbital eccentricity is not known with certainty, only that it is below 0.35 potentially high enough for it to have a significant chance of being captured into a 3:2 spin-orbit resonance similar to that of Mercury. The European Southern Observatory predicts that a far more clement environment would result from such a configuration, with average temperatures similar to those on Earth. A large portion of the planet may be habitable if it supports a thick enough atmosphere to transfer heat to the side facing away from the star. Calculations reveal that the planet could have lost about 1 ocean's worth of water due to the early irradiation in the first 100200 million years after formation. Liquid water may be present only in the sunniest regions of the planet's surface. **
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Love can only be the remedy for our own hearts but love-in-action (grace) has the power to be the remedy for the hearts of others.
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Ok, the world keeps turning and the seasons keep changing . . . so what is your overall point? Are you saying that government policy has no impact on the behavior of the economy? **
After a recession there is always a positive trend. Duh. ** **
There is not always a positive trend after a recession. **
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It doesn't in Australia (and other parts of the world) but for some reason some politicians admire the shit that comes out of the US. **
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Arminius wrote:
»So, first and foremost, it has to come from the I, and then from the we too.« ** **
Agree. What would the Golden Rule amount to without its emphasis on You. **
5137 |
Galaxies and atoms are the same structure; a rotating/precessing disc. The »up« electron has opposite spin to the »down« electron in the same way that neighbouring and opposite galactic arms are matter/antimatter. Galaxies are atoms. Atoms are galaxies. **
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Good old Protestant values are hard to divorce from. **
5139 |
Are we living in matter or in antimatter? **
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Arminius, it is not helpful when you place the same post in two different threads and it's generally against the Terms of Use policy. **
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One Liner wrote:
»Arminius, it is not helpful when you place the same post in two different threads and it's generally against the Terms of Use policy.« **
Unfortunately, due to the state of affairs, such posting isn't offensive. **
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I am not offended, it's just unhelpful to post the same comments in two different threads. **
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One Liner wrote:
»These are just labels but what I think he meant was »immediately« after a recession (which can be a depression) then eventually followed by a positive trend.« **
Yes, thank you. **
After a recession there is always a positive trend. Duh. ** **
There is not always a positive trend after a recession.
5149 |
Would you rather live under a female dominated society where feminism rules, where men are emasculated and are pretty much cuckslaves to women or under an islamic society ruled by the sharia where people are slaves to one god - one or the other ... and why? **
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Existence without memory is not existence! **
5153 |
There is no need for collective or individual memory when we have centrally controlled corporate media platforms to report and archive everything for us via a 24/7 cable broadcast.
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We have people to manage our memory for us. **
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I like some sports but I find most boring and insignificant. **
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Click on the report post link and you will see a selection that says »duplicate post« meaning the admins and moderators view duplicate posts as unhelpful (or once upon a time did). **
5159 |
There are times when multiple threads are in need of the same comment. Everyone doesn't follow every thread on every forum. When similar subjects are being discussed on different forums, it is more helpful than not to place the needed information in both places. It is unfortunate that such multiple threads pop up so often because such is usually the result of a participant or two refusing to learn anything, but it is what it is. **
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»Although we are used to thinking of empty space as containing nothing at all, and therefore having zero energy, the quantum rules say that there is some uncertainty about this. Perhaps each tiny bit of the vacuum actually contains rather a lot of energy.« **
»If the vacuum contained enough energy, it ....« **
5161 |
Compatibilism distinguishes »free-will« as being free from opposition, but not free from causation, not freely created, but once created, free from critical opposition. **
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The post-modern bullshit world, gotta love it Arminius. This environment of micro-management from cradle to the grave.
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Anyway, back to the half antimatter topic. **
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I like boxing, UFC, archery, and long distance rifle shooting championships.
I just find all other sports boring.
People actually make millions of dollars a years bouncing a basketball or kicking a football?
It's so boring and stupid to me. **
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The first Ultimate Fighting Championship event was held on November 12, 1993 at the McNichols Sports Arena in Denver, Colorado.[8] The purpose of the early Ultimate Fighting Championship competitions was to identify the most effective martial art in a fight, with minimal rules, between competitors of different fighting disciplines, including boxing, Brazilian jiu-jitsu, Sambo, wrestling, Muay Thai, karate, judo, and other styles. In subsequent competitions, fighters began adopting effective techniques from more than one discipline, which indirectly helped create an entirely separate style of fighting known as present-day mixed martial arts. **
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Mr. Reasonable wrote:
»Arminius wrote:
Hahaha wrote:
'I like some sports but I find most boring and insignificant.' **
Which of them do you like and which of them do you find most boring and insignificant?
I like almost all sports. ** **
He's like anti-competition. Nobody hates a winner like him. HH, you're the best at that.« **
Me anti competition?
No, not at all.
In my world competition would have no laws, regulations, etiquette, or anything. That's genuine authentic competition.
People like you only like competition when it is already rigged in their favor. You like controlled competition.
An environment of controlled and orderly competition.
That's the difference between you and me. **
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Arminius wrote:
»By authentic competition you mean an anarchic competition or something like the survival of the fittest in nature?« ** **
Yes, authentic social Darwinism only within the anarchist sense. **
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Arminius wrote:
»Which of them do you like and which of them do you find most boring and insignificant?
I like almost all sports.« ** **
I'm with you.... I played most sports and watched them .... I was active until I hurt my back at age 47....Now I am just an armchair warrior .... **
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Arminius wrote:
»FEMINISM and ISLAMISM. Are they compatible?« ** **
Are they compatible???
You're kidding right? **
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As a kid, I played baseball and then in High school, ran cross-country and track, in track I did the sprints, pole vaulting, ran the hurdles and after high school I continued to run, ran a marathon, did rock climbing and backpacking, was a manager of swim school for 20 years and was soccer coach for my daughters Ayso team ..., then in my 40's, I did two separate 80 miles backpacking trip in the Sierra's, one in Yosemite and one in King's Canyon and then I hurt my back.. The only sport I tried and really didn't like was golf .... I was a sprinter in high school, so I had the speed for most sports, just not the size, the day I graduated from High school
I was 5'3 and 117 pounds... Today I am 5'8 and 210, quite a difference ... and mostly from beer.I will watch any sport on the TV and it drives my wife fucking nuts .... **
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I voted yes but even if it is not due to human activities I believe it is a beneficial belief to hold. **
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Arminius wrote:
»Existence without memory is also existence!« ** **
Hmm come to think of it, in meditations one can I assume, exist without memory for sure. I say that, because when I focus purely upon my breathing, there's still a whole science fiction film going by lol ... however ....
The specific context I meant it in, was that if we have no memory of self before we were born or existed at all, then there is no inner boy or girl [objectively], and we are all just differently weighted individuals which are essentially all the same just people! Brains are brains, they don't particularly have masculinity or femininity, except as concerns their practical utility.
I'm an objectivist contemporary stoic, or something like that. I see it all like rocks ..., where rocks in fast enough motion are like rivers, just look at the patina upon jade mine stone faces. **
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Note the NT abrogated the OT for Christians. Where in the New Testaments did Jesus exhort Christians to fight non-believers?
It is the Crusaders as human beings who were fighting in the crusades but not as Christians within Christianity the ideology of Jesus.
I am quite sure the Crusaders would have been rebuked by God on their Judgment Day,
God to the Crusaders: WTF, Jesus exhorted you to love your enemies, who gave you permission to fight your enemies! Now sit in that hot corner of Hell till you hear of my reprieve.
Btw, there are loads of thousands of evil laden verses in various degrees [without specific restraints] in the Quran that combined together to influence and inspire SOME [not all] evil prone Muslims to commit terrible evils and violence.
Why the deflection to the Crusades that was not directly inspired by Christianity [verses in the NT] and it is 500+ years ago from the current critical evils and violence from Islam [in part]?
I am aware Christianity [and other religions] has its negative baggage that hinder humanity's progress but we should compare this with the very serious threat to humanity from the terrible evils and violence from Islam [in part].Given the doctrine of Islam where Muslims love death more than life on Earth and are heavily rewarded for martyrdom in the cause of Allah, there is a potential threat they could exterminate the human species when they get access to cheap WMDs with their oil money or financial support from rich rogue Muslim nations.
Even without the above serious threats evil prone Muslims [SOME] are already doing much terror and damage to humanity at the present. It is pointless to make comparison on this with the crusades that happened 500++ years ago. **
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A measured and sympathetic attitude towards this and other planets, will yield a living philosophy which can endure.
Doing things to planets that don't usually occur, are probably not what they are built to handle. Although the weather seams to reduce carbons over time.
Ethically we cannot really travel to other planets and rape their resources, because if they have life they may one day have intelligent life. Naturally they wont be able to move into an industrial or metal age even, if we eat up their resources. If we consider that for our civilisation to survive, it is going to come close to the limits [of use/resources] before reaching a permanent solution. I mean that we will use most of what the earth has, before we have technology which takes us into 100% re-use.
So that is our only known example, to be what it takes for an intelligent species to survive.
We have to find the 100% re-use solutions, or we will fail. There is nothing else going to happen here? **
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Moved to SGE: In the absence of any philosophical thesis, this appears to be a more relevant forum. **
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»Too often in science we operate under the principle that to name it is to tame it, or so we think. One of the easiest mistakes, even among working scientists, is to believe that labeling something has somehow or other added to an explanation or understanding of it. Worse than that, we use it all the time when we're teaching, leading students to believe that a phenomenon named is a phenomenon known, and that to know the name is to know the phenomenon.« / Page 62. /
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»Even words that, like gravity, seem well settled may lend more of an aura to an idea than it deserves. .... And still, today, physicists do not have a clear understanding of what gravity is or where it comes from, even though its effect can be described quite accurately.« / Page 64. / **
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I would definitely prefer to live in a world where everyone believes in the human cause rather than a »natural« cause, irrespective how ludicrous the evidence is as this false believe would have other consequences (for better and for worse). **
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More precisely please;
It is Islam [in part, not wholly] that influence and inspire hate-and-war in SOME evil prone Muslims. **
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The feminists will attempt to modify Islam to make themselves compatible with it, in order to replace the patriarchy foundation with a matriarchy one. Ironically, not only is this forbidden in Islam, it is also predicted and seen as a sign of the end time, as in the hour is drawing closer. Muhammad already mentioned that they will try to reverse the roles, men will look and act like women and vice versa etc He also said there would be movements that corrupt the women. Which is safe to say that is feminism and the like. Women are on a massive power trip at the moment with world domination in their eyes, it seems... Some say feminism is a natural expression of women, but I am not sure about that anymore. Some even say that is it a massive shit test and ultimately they just want to be dominated and put back in their place, and i'm not even sure about that anymore either..because from my experience and expanding understanding, they seem super serious and determined. I can only imagine this being some sort of system agenda in an attempt to create a new world whereby they put women as the overall authority relative to how the system controls them.
I think Hitler once said, if you control the women and kids, the men will follow .... This is what appears to be happening, or at least increasingly so, with a backlash too where men are dropping out as response to what is happening.
I see the way Feminist Muslim women are attempting to manipulate Islamic scripture and law to their own selfish ends, almost even to lay down a foundation of female worship. For example, under the Sharia, because of the nuclear family set up, where the man goes to work and the women stay home raising and taking care of the children, rightfully, it is only fair that the man pay his way in providing for his wife and kids, deemed necessary by the sharia law.
A years ago, i read an article about the Muslim} women in the UK and how they are refusing to get married. So a reporter went in to find out the reasons, he approached numerous Muslim women and all of them responding with the exact same answer. They said the Muslim men are not making enough money! You can see the arrogance and hate on their faces when saying it, they explained how they wanted this and that etc and then brought up how the man is suppose to pay for it!
What they don't realize is that Islam is a minimalistic religion, is against accumulating wealth. Muhammad once said, my poverty is my pride. The prophets never had anything because they gave everything away, and that is used as an example to mimick as a path way to religious devotion. This is a well known thing.
Now you have narcissistic materialistic women who are obsessed, and it is an obsession, with stuff. Now they are attempting to manipulate the Muslim men using the sharia law in providing and satisfying their greedy selfish needs, as if the men have to satisfy their wimps on demand, When really it has only ever applied to the basic requirements of food, water, shelter to the most minimal level in order to maintain religious devotion and not get taken away by the material world.
It's funny, because I thought this only existed in non religious societies, but it doesn't..You can go to any Muslim community in the UK and the Muslim men generally dislike their women because of this, divorce is also rampant, and something very importantly i noticed, the more religious the man is, the more he follows the religion of Islam in the way Muhammad and all other prophets did, devoutly, they end up alone, single and by themselves often living a life of isolation and seclusion because of being generally rejected by women because he doesn't reach the materialistic standard that modern women maintain. **
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Worked on Americans. **
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I've always wondered why statues of Apollo had to have a feminine face (or, at best, a face of a young boy). It seems counter intuitive to me. **
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Judaism is founded upon hidden, secret, »invisible« manipulations, aka »serpents«. That is accomplished very largely through misinformation: obfuscation, false flags, and blame shifting. Thus peoples get blamed for what others have done and other people are inspired into criminality, immorality, and war by hidden means. Religions get created in an attempt to defend against other religions.
»We shall turn nation against nation.«
Unlike the other Abramic religions, Judaism prefers to be the small elite power above the world of servants. They very, very much prefer that the rest of the world, the gentiles, have no idea of their God and certainly not sharing in their wealth and power. So you are right, they certainly do not proselytize.
The Judaist curse upon Espinoza for the blasphemy of proclaiming that God is for everyone:
The Lords of the maamad, having long known of the evil opinions and acts of Baruch de Spinoza, have endeavord by various means and promises, to turn him from his evil ways. But having failed to make him mend his wicked ways, and, on the contrary, daily receiving more and more serious information about the abominable heresies which he practiced and taught and about his monstrous deeds, and having for this numerous trustworthy witnesses who have deposed and born witness to this effect in the presence of the said Espinoza, they became convinced of the truth of the matter; and after all of this has been investigated in the presence of the honorable chachamin, they have decided, with their consent, that the said Espinoza should be excommunicated and expelled from the people of Israel. By the decree of the angels, and by the command of the holy men, we excommunicate, expel, curse and damn Baruch de Espinoza, with the consent of God, Blessed be He, and with the consent of all the Holy Congregation, in front of these holy Scrolls with the six-hundred-andthirteen precepts which are written therein, with the excommunication with which Joshua banned Jericho, with the curse with which Elisha cursed the boys, and with all the curses which are written in the Book of the Law. Cursed be he by day and cursed be he by night; cursed be he when he lies down, and cursed be he when he rises up; cursed be he when he goes out, and cursed be he when he comes in. The Lord will not spare him; the anger and wrath of the Lord will rage against this man, and bring upon him all the curses which are written in this book, and the Lord will blot out his name from under heaven, and the Lord will separate him to his injury from all the tribes of Israel with all the curses of the covenant, which are written in the Book of the Law. But you who cleave unto the Lord God are all alive this day. We order that no one should communicate with him orally or in writing, or show him any favor, or stay with him under the same roof, or within four ells of him, or read anything composed or written by him.
Judaism is all about curses and fear via secret manipulations of others: Ahdam, »Who told you that you were naked?« **
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Arminius wrote:
»Do you have much contact with Islamic people?
And especially:
Do you have much contact with Islamic women?« ** **Yes, was born, brought up and still live in a predominately Muslim area. **
Arminius wrote:
»Is the Islam in fact such a minimalistic religion as you described it?« ** **
Of course! Even more so than what i have described. Spirituality, the elevation of man/woman to a plane where the mind is focused on the higher, non-material realities of a godly existence. Not only did Prophet Muhammad pray, but he also use to meditate in mount Hira regularly, up to a few days at a time. Islam ins't new in the sense of a religion, but a clarification of what came before it. Muhammad isn't the founder but rather God is. The message is and has always been the same, that there is only One God and spend your days in worship of God, in a devout manner, do regularly good deeds and maintain a spiritual balance before your return onto God.
Islam, naturally, comprises of all the Prophets in the Abrahamic tradition. Jesus being the most quoted prophet in the Quran. Jesus himself had very little, next to nothing, only having a comb and one cup to which he later gave away, often telling people to sell all their belongings and give the money to the poor..and saying things such as..it easier for camel to go through an eye of a needle than it is for a rich person to get into heaven etc as all the prophets said similar things.
The very core of the worship of God is minimalism. As the world is declared as temporary, and so chasing the world is a vain attempt to gain something that will inevitably be taken away from all. From the Islamic perspective the only things which are counted upon death is actions, words and intentions in the context of good and bad relative to the scriptures.
The modern day muslim women and men just arn't following it correctly to due religious neglect, but rather following their own egos, ignorance, greed and selfishness and then attempting to justify it with religion, as many other so called religious people do. Like millionaire priest in the bible belt of the US etc.. **
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»In Sweden at first I was appalled by all the rapes of us Swedish women especially as a feminist but later I discovered that these rapes are justified in that it makes up for the white guilt of us Swedes where possibly it might be morally justified on the part of Muslim men. Now I've converted to Islam and wear a Hijab everyday. Everyday is a real struggle reconciling my western feminist beliefs with Islam but slowly I am being able to. Down with the sexist white Christian Swedish patriarchy! Allah Akbar!« **
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Feminism is another religion of hate. **
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The OP makes no logical sense to me whatsoever. **
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A vocal minority is far more powerful than the silent majority. **
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Gib wrote:
»Arminius wrote:
... and one (English) has merely one. ** **
That's 'cause we're a bunch of homos.
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I am not English. **
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I did not say »you said every Muslim is evil«. **
My point is .... **
... to be more precise you must qualify 'Islam' when attributing any thing negative to it. Because religion is such a possessive and sensitive matter your statement 'Islam is a hate-and-war-religion' will definitely offend Muslims especially the moderates. **
Thus to be more precise and less offensive it would be better to state 'Islam [in part, not wholly] is a hate-and-war-religion.'
If Muslims are mentioned it would be more precise and wiser to state SOME [not all] Muslims.I understand generally most people do not mean All of Islam or All Muslims when they do not qualify these two very sensitive terms. But the reality is when moderate Muslims read them without the qualifications they will instinctively feel offended. **
More precisely please: I am not saying that every Moslem is evil (do not put words into my mouth I never said, regardless how politically correct you want to be), but I am saying that Islam is a hate-and-war-religion. Not every Christian is a love-and-peace human - additionally a love-and-peace-religion can be interpreted as being too weak. And not every Muslim is a hate-and-war-human. That is needless to say. ** **
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But thankfully I am not an English victim. **
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Must be an Australianism that I take for granted. **
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It is often stated 1% of human has psychopathic tendencies which is potentially evil. That's 70 million people around the world. **
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I have defined evil earlier which extend from low level evil, e.g. stealing, lying [5/100] to very evil, e.g. genocide [99/100].
From the above I estimated conservatively 20% of humans has an active tendency to commit evils within the above range.
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Therefore the following;
Prismatic wrote:
»1. 20% [say] of Muslims [as with all humans] are born with an active evil tendency.« **
I have demonstrated above why 20% are born with an active evil tendency. **
The point it is Islam itself that promote a culture of pedopholia, where their exemplar of Islam, i.e. 50+ years old Muhammad married a 6 years old girl. Whatever the excuses when taken into context of human nature, it has more to do with his sexual lust and pedopholic proclivities. Therefore it has something to do with Islam itself.
In this case is the combination of the following'
1. 20% of evil prone Muslims
2. Pedophilic elements [evil] within Islamthat combine to promote a culture of pedophilia within the ethos of the Islamic community.
Btw, the evils elements of Islam is not confined to pedophilia acts of their exemplar prophet Muhammad but they involved a wide range of human activities, e.g. religion-inspired killings of non-Muslims, cultural genocides, the arts and humanities, education, social and cultural matters.
20% of evil prone Muslims meant a pool of 300 millions evil prone Muslims around the world who are terrified of Hell and threaten by the Allah and are every ready to obey the commands of Allah of Islam any time. When these evil prone Muslims are at Allah's mercy to grant them eternal life in paradise and avoid Hell, they will do any thing to obey and please God including acting out whatever is the commands of God in the Quran which include the evil laden elements [amongst the good].
In such a case, one cannot ignore the set of Islamic [in part] evil elements as a very critical root cause to all the terrible evils and violence committed by SOME evil prone Muslims. **
Because ... your statement ... will definitely offend Muslims especially the moderates. **
I have stated, it is not easy at present to resolve the mental issue of the 20% evil prone humans. **
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Human acts of bad or evil have not increased. Actions are just broadcasted more. Something horrible occuring in a little town would not have made national news fifty years ago unless a well known person was involved. **
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I am not English, but I am indeed a victim of their pathetic Language. **
Anyway, back to the half antimatter topic. **
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People die everywhere and get murdered everywhere (nothing to do with Aboriginal communities or the type of work I do). **
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Australia would have significantly lower crimes rates compared to the US and UK and possibly a homicide rate 4 times lower than the US homicide rate. **
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I think the entire topic (for or against [**|**]) is a non-issue for a majority of the worlds population. **
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Australia | UK | US | |
Wikipedia (**): | 1.0 | 0.9 | 3.9 |
Quandl (**): | 1.5; 0.9; 0.6; 0.4 | 0.7; -.-; 0.4; 0.3 | 9.4; 5.8; 6.0; 5.2 |
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I can agree with all that but still in a normal human way of living , it has not changed. Cities like that are abnormal... Oh there are just a few smartass things running through my head about people and cities, I better not... **
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Islam will self-destruct in time. **
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I don't think that 14th century mentality will survive in the 21st century modernism. **
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Time will tell.
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There are many women who have denounced feminism and apologized to men, and wish to return back to more of a traditional structure, especially during all the rape sprees around the west, heavily motivated by fear and seeking protection. **
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Pandora wrote:
»I don't know why you're assuming that traditional family structures do not exist, there are still plenty of stay-at-home moms and working fathers.« **
Never said there wasn't..but looking at the increasing divorce and single mother stats it's pretty clear the direction in which it is going. **
Pandora wrote:
»Well, if men cannot or will not stick around to provide for their children (because materialism is bad but fucking around is okay because a man has his needs, dammit) this could be the remaining option.« **
It is a well known fact, that by large men never use to fuck around, that was something that was unheard of in the past, and the further you go back the greater the punishment for such acts was, both on men and women, as a way of securing the family marriage unit and construction of society.
The »fucking around« is a male response to the lack of a secure traditionalism that governed by virtues, moral, principles, vows,law etc. I'm not sure you can have your cake and eat it too. Interestingly enough, when you free the women from the men, you also free the men from the women. **
Pandora wrote:
»In my opinion, people who embrace foreign or exotic traditions likely have some unresolved personal issues. If you want to preserve traditional family structure/lifestyle, why wouldn't you propose that people embrace Christianity instead? It's more in synch with Western traditions.« **
Hmm I would agree with the first part of that.
Christianity is foreign and stems from very similar places Islam and Judaism stem from. **
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Innovation is not necessarily a good thing nor is technological advancement...sure there's benefits to it, but it is way more destructive if anything. **
Pandora wrote:
»My point was that even without war Islam would be doomed.« **
Well, the visibility of the expansion of Islam is quite clear.
It's well known thing that. **
Pandora wrote:
»Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world and is expected to outstrip Christianity by the end of the century.
The number of Muslims will grow more than twice as fast as the world's population from now until 2050, the Pew Research Center has said.
While the worlds population is projected to grow 35 per cent before the middle of the century, the number of Muslims is expected to increase by 73 per cent from 1.6 billion in 2010 to 2.8 billion.« **
Pandora wrote:
»The West has evolved and will not be devolving back to Middle Ages. That was my point. Islam will have to catch up/evolve in order to survive, and that could also be its end.« **
Middle ages were awesomeness...at a time of war, I would much rather be in the middle ages than this time period, especially with all the nuclear capability they have now. **
Pandora wrote:
»Islam's attempt to drag Western Values down to its level will be unsuccessful.« **
Down? what are these values you're speaking of? Modernity has turned the west into a fucking shit hole! The only fun thing here is observing the decay and watching it all happen.. that's what keeps me here. **
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I would imagine that these sort of public polls may only statisically apply to about 1 billion people (US and Europe) and not the other 6 billion people (rest of the world). **
Population in the world is currently (2016) growing at a rate of around 1.13% per year. The current average population change is estimated at around 80 million per year.
Annual growth rate reached its peak in the late 1960s, when it was at 2% and above. The rate of increase has therefore almost halved since its peak of 2.19 percent, which was reached in 1963.
The annual growth rate is currently declining and is projected to continue to decline in the coming years. Currently, it is estimated that it will become less than 1% by 2020 and less than 0.5% by 2050.
This means that world population will continue to grow in the 21st century, but at a slower rate compared to the recent past. World population has doubled (100% increase) in 40 years from 1959 (3 billion) to 1999 (6 billion). It is now estimated that it will take a further 39 years to increase by another 50%, to become 9 billion by 2038.
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Population density map of the world ...:
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World Population by Religion.
According to a recent study (based on the 2010 world population of 6.9 billion) by The Pew Forum, there are:
- 2,173,180,000 Christians (31% of world population), of which 50% are Catholic, 37% Protestant, 12% Orthodox, and 1% other.
- 1,598,510,000 Muslims (23%), of which 87-90% are Sunnis, 10-13% Shia.
- 1,126,500,000 No Religion affiliation (16%): atheists, agnostics and people who do not identify with any particular religion. One-in-five people (20%) in the United States are religiously unaffiliated.
- 1,033,080,000 Hindus (15%), the overwhelming majority (94%) of which live in India.
- 487,540,000 Buddhists (7%), of which half live in China.
- 405,120,000 Folk Religionists (6%): faiths that are closely associated with a particular group of people, ethnicity or tribe.
- 58,110,000 Other Religions (1%): Bahai faith, Taoism, Jainism, Shintoism, Sikhism, Tenrikyo, Wicca, Zoroastrianism and many others.
- 13,850,000 Jews (0.2%), four-fifths of which live in two countries: United States (41%) and Israel (41%).
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How many people have ever lived on earth?
It was written during the 1970s that 75% of the people who had ever been born were alive at that moment. This was grossly false.
Assuming that we start counting from about 50,000 B.C., the time when modern Homo sapiens appeared on the earth (and not from 700,000 B.C. when the ancestors of Homo sapiens appeared, or several million years ago when hominids were present), taking into account that all population data are a rough estimate, and assuming a constant growth rate applied to each period up to modern times, it has been estimated that a total of approximately 106 billion people have been born since the dawn of the human species, making the population currently alive roughly 6% of all people who have ever lived on planet Earth.
Others have estimated the number of human beings who have ever lived to be anywhere from 45 billion to 125 billion, with most estimates falling into the range of 90 to 110 billion humans.
World Population clock: sources and methodology.
The world population counter displayed on Worldometers takes into consideration data from two major sources: the United Nations and the U.S. Census Bureau.
The United Nations Population Division of the Department of Economic and Social Affairs every two years calculates, updates, and publishes estimates of total population in its World Population Prospects series. These population estimates and projections provide the standard and consistent set of population figures that are used throughout the United Nations system.
The World Population Prospect: the 2015 Revision provides the most recent data available (released on July 29, 2015). Estimates and projected world population and country specific populations are given from 1950 through 2100 and are released every two years. The latest revision has revised upwards the world population projections. Worldometers, as it is common practice, utilizes the medium fertility estimates.
Data underlying the population estimates are national and sub national census data and data on births, deaths, and migrants available from national sources and publications, as well as from questionnaires. For all countries, census and registration data are evaluated and, if necessary, adjusted for incompleteness by the Population Division as part of its preparations of the official United Nations population estimates and projections.
The International Programs Center at the U.S. Census Bureau, Population Division also develops estimates and projections based on analysis of available data (based on census, survey, and administrative information) on population, fertility, mortality, and migration for each country or area of the world. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, world population reached 7 billion on March 12, 2012.
For most countries adjustment of the data is necessary to correct for errors, omissions, and inconsistencies in the data. Finally, since most recent data for a single country is often at least two years old, the current world population figure is necessarily a projection of past data based on assumed trends. As new data become available, assumptions and data are reevaluated and past conclusions and current figures may be modified.
For information about how these estimates and projections are made by the U.S. Census Bureau, see the Population Estimates and Projections Methodology.
Why Worldometers clocks are the most accurate.
The above world population clock is based on the latest estimates released on July 29, 2015 by the United Nations and will show the same number wherever you are in the world and whatever time you set on your PC. Worldometers is the only website to show live counters that are based on U.N. data and that do not follow the user's PC clock.
Visitors around the world visiting a PC clock based counter, see different numbers depending on where they are located, and in the past have seen other world population clocks - such as the one hosted on a United Nations website and on National Geographic - reaching 7 billion whenever their locally set PC clocks reached 4:21:10 AM on October 31, 2011.
Obviously, the UN data is based on estimates and can't be 100% accurate, so in all honesty nobody can possibly say with any degree of certainty on which day world population reached 7 billion (or any other exact number), let alone at what time. But once an estimate is made (based on the best data and analysis available), the world population clock should be showing the same number at any given time anywhere around the world. **
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As I said, it's a non-issue for a majority of the worlds population. **
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But just because it's a non-issue for a majority of the worlds population doesn't mean it's an unimportant issue. **
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14 billion years ago the billions and billions of galaxies were compressed into a hot singular point. It means that the four forces of nature (electromagnetic, strong, weak and gravity) also
were compressed into one »singular point« - into one »singular force«. **
Big bang is scientific fantasy .... **
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People do not realize that feminism is mass indoctrination because they cannot identify the perpetrator, the means or the motive. **
The hidden goal of feminism is to destroy the family, which interferes with state brainwashing of the young. Side benefits include depopulation and widening the tax base. Displacing men in the role of providers also destabilizes the family. **
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Humans are made for adapting. **
Though we can reallllllllly fight it. As humans adapt to large communities self preservation kicked in, you ceased to see faces and identifiers. Ever live in a huge city? I spent most of my life in large cities. You really just float through life not thinking about the humanity surrounding you, they in essence become objects. Yet I see change /adaptation beginning . The most notorious community, Harlem, is changing becoming more humane. **
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It is certainly no coincidence that two similar beliefs occured and became dogmas at the same time: (1) the belief that the big bank can create the money out of nothing; (2) the bielef that the big bang can create the universe out of nothing.
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Islam's ultimate goal is the memetic propagation of Islam. The men and women are mere means to that goal, and their needs, wants, feelings are thus subordinate to it.
Feminism's ultimate goal is short-term happiness for women, I say short-term because feminists don't have any deeper insights about anything and so they don't realize how certain things can backfire in the long-term.
So no, they are not compatible. **
Feminism, Marxism, liberalism, humanism, and similar ideologies are the kind of ideologies you want your enemies to have, because it makes them soft and weak, vulnerable to conquest. This is the only sense in which Islamism is compatible with feminism - feminism weakens the West for Islamic conquest. Watch the video ...: **. **
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No matter how much pride the Islam inoculates into its children, they will not withstand the seduction of modernity. **
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I don't think that 14th century mentality will survive in the 21st century modernism. **
I had Islamic Golden Age in mind. **
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It's too behind times for the modern world. It will become corrupted and destroyed, or morphed beyond recognition, and it will happen from inside. **
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Humans on both sides desire to make money and will maintain their lies and deny their truths in order to make money, and it is ludicrous to suggest that only one particular side has this motivation. **
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I did not state the Bell Curve is true in all conditions.
The Bell Curve is NOT a universal, it is merely abstracted model of patterns from observed and empirical evidences which is applicable in many instances involving variables of human nature. As such if can be a useful tool to aid one in gathering knowledge in problem solving.
At present we are faced with real evidence of terrible evils and violence [e.g. below is one set of example] committed by SOME people who claimed to be Muslims.
Now if you are a concerned citizen of humanity, what are you going to do in view of the above figures.
Any concerned citizen of the world will make an attempt to apply effective problem solving techniques to trace the root causes of the problem above and find solutions to eliminate or prevent the recurrence of the problem of evil as above.
In the course of applying problem solving techniques one effective tool to narrow the problem is the use of the principles of the Bell Curve.
Note I did not jump to the conclusion, Bell Curve = 20% of Muslims are born with an active evil tendencies. **
There is quite a lot of work to do to arrive at the above hypothesis.
I have presented them in my earlier posting and I don't think you understood them.Btw, my first premise is;
DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be beastly and evil.
Note the term 'POTENTIAL' which mean all human has the ready made neural circuits in their brain to become evil but it is not active in all humans.
Do you agree with this first premise? **
If you agree, then the next point is to demonstrate why 20% of all humans are born with an activated potential to be beastly and evil tendency.
Again I have explained this in my earlier posts, but they did not catch your attention. **
This involve understanding your own physical brain and neuroscience.
So do you agree with this premise?
DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be beastly and evil.Note this thread;
DNA wise ALL humans are born with a POTENTIAL to be beastly and evil (**). **
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Arminius wrote:
»Terrorism weakens the West .... ** **
Actually terrorism is the »common cause« that strengthens the West, but only IF they unite into a globalist regime. **
Arminius wrote:
»So if both feminism and Islamism weaken the West, then they are strategically compatible for those who benefit from this development, because actually feminism and Islamism are not compatible. ** **
Islam will displace Feminism. **
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Precessing relative to what? **
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Not all humans need to, only those who desire to maintain their wealth and those who desire for a greater wealth. **
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Roughly two months to the election. **
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There is a 'Nature' and 'Nurture' aspect to Morality [What is Good and What is Evil].
DNA wise, all humans are born with the POTENTIAL with basic morality. **
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There has been lots of studies relating to inherent morality within humans via the study of babies which are less than one year old, i.e. to discount the 'Nurture' element.
Here is one article from Scientific American to lend greater credibility of my point (**). **
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If one is highly perceptive one would have noted this fact from observations within humanity. **
The Nurture factors [learning, improving, etc.] merely enhanced the Morality that is innate [Nature] within humans.. **
Animals follow their instincts to kill, fight, injure and they do not has any strong potential for morality like humans and high level of self-consciousness to contrast what is good against what is evil from the moral perspective. **
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They were merely noting the natural propensity for intelligence to discern between what to love and what to hate. All surviving creatures have such instincts born within, else they could not survive as a species (even insects).
Psychologists (just barely on rare occasion fitting into the category of »scientists«) most certainly cannot be trusted to experiment and attempt to analyze complex systems or creatures more intelligent than their own cognitive comprehension skills. Infants fit into that category, as do almost all animals. The cognitive comprehension skills of the average psychologists are embarrassingly low. More to the exact point, none of those psychologists in that video actually understand what »morality« is. That is an issue for philosophers to decide. And no science can be conducted without proper definition. Ask any of them to exactly define »morality« in an unambiguous way. They would probably tell you that such isn't necessary, which is largely why they are (still) not really qualified to be referred to as »scientists«.
Anyone can trump up what superficially appears to be a scientific experiment with all of the buzz word in place: »this was a double blind study«, »81% of the non-control group responded positively«, .... The sad fact is that most people doing such things are very, very sloppy and often have ulterior motives.
Ask what the scientific definition of »morality« is. Without such a precise definition, no measure of it can be scientifically made.
And all of that is not to discount Arminius' point that the very concept of morality, and thus good and evil, does not apply to animal behavior, and that includes human infants. Homosapians aren't all that much different than other animals. What doesn't apply to other animals only might barely apply to homosapians.
Your psychologist references are off mark for the same reason that you are - a complete lack of understanding of what morality and evil actually is and is actually all about. **
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Your views are very constipated and merely hand waving. **
In contrast note James S. Saint who at least gave some explanations to justify his views [which I do not agree and countered. **
I mentioned;
There has been lots of studies relating to inherent morality within humans via the study of babies which are less than one year old, i.e. to discount the 'Nurture' element. **
Attacking this one example I gave is not effective. **
I suggest you research on this topic and reflect on the conclusions instead of giving these very unhealthy »constipated« views. **
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I don't see how that follows from what I said. How about.....when black people call someone racist, they're usually not talking about someone who is also considered to be left wing. **
When you listen to right wing talk radio, you don't think those guys are racist? **
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One of my forte is on Philosophy of Moral & Ethics with emphasis of Kant and in general. Such research as the above will substantiate many of Kant's fundamentals on his Philosophy of Morality, e.g. his Categorical Imperative and his full Framework and System of Morality and Ethics. **
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