The Englishmen are Anglo-Saxons - Angles and Saxons -, originally from
Germany. They belong to the German tribes. So Englishmen (Anglo-Saxons)
are stll very closely related to them. Today, the Angles in Germany belong
to the federal state of Schleswig-Holstein, the Saxons in Germany to the
federal states of Lower Saxony, North Rhine-Westphalia, Saxony-Anhalt
and Saxony. The populations of these federal states make up at least 40%
of the German population. Other Saxon tribes exist in the Netherlands.
There is no Anglican race (**).
There is an Anglican Church, but there is no Anglican race. Nor is there
really an Anglo-Saxon race, for the race to which the Anglo-Saxons
belong, and precisely also the Angles and Saxons in Germany, as well as
all other Germans, indeed all Germanic peoples, even also all Romanic
peoples, Greeks, Baltics, Slavs and other people, if their language belongs
to the Indo-Germanic language family and their race to the White race,
is the White race.
The term race should always be defined before used. Race
can be defined biologically and also non-biologically, e.g. culturally.
An example: Someone says: Dieses Weib hat Rasse (This
woman has race [is such a sentence even semantically possible in
English?]. What is meant here is not the biological race, but the attraction,
attractiveness that has an effect on most men (except donnasues etc.),
but also being-in-shape can be meant.
Germanics do not differ racially (in the biological sense) at all; this
is also valid for Germanic and Romanic peoples, for all Whites. The most
suitable name for the biological race is White, the second
most suitable Europide (in this word, however, the geographical
term Europe is contained, but not few Europides do not live
in Europe anymore).
Something else is the nation, the people, the Volk.
In the USA, only the Indians are actually the natives and therefore
the nation. All others have immigrated, either voluntarily or or forcefully
(like the Negro slaves).
Most of the population of the USA are German:
We - the White race - must stick together, stand together, fight together!
If we do not, we - the White race - will perish!
This shellacking and ripping off of nutrients and other energies,
that you speak of (**),
affects all Whites, or at least Western Whites. The rhetorical trick is
that they are reproached with certain behaviors of the past, so that they
get a bad conscience and are therefore more willing to be exploited. With
the Germans it is national socialism, sometimes colonialism, with the
US people it is Indian extermination and Negro slavery, with certain other
Whites it is colonialism, collaboration with German national socialism.
And some chauvinism, misogyny, xenophobia,
war crimes, etc. are always issues to exploit Whites anyway.
Even with the Swedes they found something, although just the Swedes have
not been conspicuous at all since the last 300 years. All
Western White states are made out to be rogue states (the first one was
France [see Revolution of 1789 ff., Napoleon], but even worse it affects
their inhabitants. But why is it so? If one looks more closely, one finds
that Eastern Whites are hardly affected by these exploitations. Why? They
are not or not yet rich enough!
Behind all the seemingly so moral judgments is the greed
for money, richness, power.
When the Western Whites will be impoverished, the moral sirens will
have stopped howling!
As you are rightly saying, they lumped 'all whites' in with Nazi
Germany (**),
that is their strategy. Initially, namely starting slowly in 1945 and
increasing steadily and ever more rapidly over the next decades, all Germans
were lumped into this Nazi pot. Not all Germans were Nazis, not even all
NSDAP members were really, i.e. convinced Nazis. (It is a joke, if it
were not so serious, that a 97 years old man, who as a 20 years old guarded
a concentration camp, thus 77 years ago, in 1945, at the end of the 2nd
World War, is now sentenced to imprisonment [and: why has he not been
sentenced earlier, if not because this whole hysteria has increased so
much only since the last decades?]). All White people are thrown into
this Nazi pot - you are right about that -, but getting upset about it
only makes things worse. You talked about Freud, who emigrated to Anglo-Saxony
(England) in 1933, and his nephew Bernays, who emigrated to the USA as
a baby already in 1892, didn't you? They and others (also the Hollywood
makers!) have ensured with their propaganda machinery - together we call
it the mass media - that war is constantly and increasingly
waged against us. In the so-called psychotherapy, which was
invented by Freud out of nothing, exactly the same happens, when the patient
gets upset against the assertions of his ill therapist and
this insinuates to that one a defense mechanism (Abwehrmechanismus
[Freud]), at which he is ill. Each excitement becomes the defense mechanism,
and nobody dares more to say at all still something, but subordinates
itself to the will of the psychotherapy dad ever more.
Europeans began to learn how to lose already in 1918 - some more, others
less - because 1918 was the fateful year for Europe, which since then
has lost more and more of its power and more and more quickly. From the
point of view of the USA it was exactly the other way round: since 1918
great gains in power, since 1945 such great gains in power that one can
speak of the only remaining world power. In reality, of course,
behind the respective political powers there are private powers that are
much more powerful than the political ones. That is why it is no wonder
that since the 1960s, and especially since the 1990s or the turn of the
millennium, things have been going downhill faster and faster, even in
the USA, because the world rulers are private and can therefore live where
they want and dictate what they want. This must seem like a nightmare
to every U.S. citizen, because such an experience is a first for U.S.
citizens in their young history, while Europeans can sing a song about
it that is almost as old as the entire history of Europe, but the most
tragic song about it is the disaster of 1918.
Yes, you are right.
Donnasue is the one who creates political strawmen to destroy biological
facts.
Not coincidentally, Donnasue - projecting the own faults and problems
onto others - reminds me of many ILP members and especially of one very
specific ILP member.
Back to the topic, which I hope will not be subject to another destruction
attempt by an unqualified like Donnasue.
Peter Sloterdijk (ibid, pp. 392-396 [in the original text] **),
translated by me:
The attack on hereditary differences is paid for with the unleashing
of permanent competition between new, ostensibly equal-opportunity candidates
for the better places, which inevitably produces countless losers. This
may explain the socio-psychologically paradoxical effect why modern
societies have to struggle with the chronic darkening of their basic
mood in the face of historically unprecedented high prosperity, massive
redistribution and exploding life expectancy.
In the Europe of the transitional centuries between the Middle Ages
and modernity, a psychopolitical process is taking place which, in analogy
to the transformations of the same period in the economic field, could
be characterized as an initial accumulation of dissident, subversive,
revolting subjectivity - perhaps as a founding phase of subjectivity
without epithets.
In this period, the phenomenon of terrible children becomes chronic
and obsessive. Now the offspring of the hiatus shoot up everywhere -
partly filiation-capable, partly filiation-unwilling descendants of
more or less problematic parents, driven by the impossibility, which
becomes clear to them, of entering »social life« as loyal
copies of their producers.
Kafkas letter to his father (Brief an den Vater, written
in November 1919, published in 1952), exemplary in its detail, its memory-strong
bitterness, and its resigned conciliation, therefore represents much
more than the local testimony of an accidental transgression between
parent and child. It is the monument of a risk of alienation that chronically
wanders through the families of modern times, Jewish, Christian, and
secular. In both its polemical and pacifying tendencies, it reveals
that it is not infrequently the soul work of children pressing for clarification
that bridges the hiatus between generations with accommodating gestures.
It was probably not so much the »work of mourning« that
was important in bridging the genealogical intervals among the moderns,
but the work of being able to forgive. Wasnt the 20th century
thereby the psychoanalytic age, because it introduced a new regime in
the treatment of awful children of hardly less awful parents by the
invention of »psychotherapy«? Wasnt Sigmund Freud
the most successful interpreter and exploiter of the designated awfulness
so far, by bringing it into the soliloquy of bourgeois culture under
the term »Neurose« ( »neurosis«)? And didnt
Freud - with whatever right - place the greater part of the terrible
with the children, when he endowed them, after the abandonment of the
»seduction theory«, with a passably monstrous drive life?
The process, as disturbing as it is fascinating, is fueled by a single
motive, widespread across all social strata and existentially inescapable
for those affected: at every moment and everywhere, in the world age
of awakening aspirations, it is a matter of the progressive delegitimization
of the »existing« through the objections of the disenfranchised
and illegitimate, presented openly or acting in secret - whether they
are the bearers of a stigma of origin, the victims of a status disadvantage,
or the subjects of an inherited disenfranchisement. Wherever one opens
the book of rebellious and bastard modernity, one regularly encounters
criminals of lost or never proven honor.
It was practically throughout hereditary positional disadvantages
that provoke in their holders the direct comparison with the better-off
and dissolved the reflex of non-agreement with the situation and its
preconditions in the system of norms of »society«.
What is called egalitarianism in todays discourses can be easily
recognized in its more concrete beginnings, in retrospect, as the offensive
of the bastards and other bearers of hereditary disadvantages against
the existing system of legally entrenched discriminations. Anyone listening
in on the word »equality« will notice choruses of resentment
and bitterness.
From the age of the religious wars, the bastard scheme spills over
into the political sphere ....
As the most momentous movement in this field eriwes the foundation
of the United States of America which owed the consolidation of its
independence, declared in 1776, to a persistently fought battle for
decolonization, sealed by the Peace of Paris in 1783. The bastard constitution
of the U.S., evidenced from the beginning and never denied later, may
be one of the reasons why there is a heightened, occasionally eccentric
sensitivity to problems of post-coloniality in other cultures in this
country to this day, namely in its multi-culturally agitated, multi-aspirationally
confused academia. It includes a tendency to misinterpret the most absurd
metastases of post-colonial activisms as precursors of emancipations.
**
And you shall call no one father on earth ....
Jesus Christ
Peter Sloterdijk (ibid, pp. 288 and 291 [in the original text]
**
**),
translated by me:
With the appearance of the fatherless Jesus of Nazareth, the
most terrible child in the history of the world, a new form of personalization
is connected in psychohistorical view, which starts from the direct
indwelling of the patro-poietically generated father in the inspired
son. The Christian pattern of medial personhood aims at the Real Presence
of the Over-Father in the Over-Son. Whatever the Son says and does,
according to his own conviction the Father says and does presently actual
through him. John summarizes the facts in the formula, whereafter the
Word became flesh and dwelt among us (cf. John, 1:14). **
The whole of Paul's writing can be read as if he ceaselessly circled
around the phrase that was unpronounceable for him, »Where generation
was, imitative discipleship shall become«. We no longer beget,
we baptize and call forth. We do not reproduce, we teach and convert.
We no longer believe in a future that lies in our own children, we are
preparing for an entirely different world that will be opened up to
us by the imminent end of the current aeon. **
Satyr wrote:
Apocalypsis wrote:
»The Great Reset began when Nixon closed the gold
window in 1971. It is a controlled disintegration of the world economy.
The City of London and Wall Street are trying to crush Russia and
China to save their bubble of at least one quadrillion of worthless
speculative assets.« **
Kultur wrote:
Kissinger and the year 1971 (and a bit Nixon too).
1971) July: Kissinger, Nixon's official foreign and security policy
advisor, begins his first secret »visit« to China (in October:
his next secret visit to China).
1971) On August 15, Nixon cancels the gold peg of the U.S. dollar.
1971) Mid October: Kissinger, Nixon's official advisor on foreign
and security policy, begins his second secret »visit« to
China.
1971) On October 21, the seats of the »People's Republic«
of China in the General Assembly and Security Council of the United
Nations are transferred from the founding member Republic of China to
the People's Republic of China (Resolution 2758 of the UN General Assembly),
after more and more states have recognized the People's Republic
of , but especially after Kissinger has»visited« it twice.
** **
So the year 1971 was indeed a meaningful year. Yet, the abolition of
the linkage of the gold to the dollar was not the cause or the beginning,
but already one, perhaps the first large consequence on the constant demands
of the high finance. These demands were and are euphemistically called
liberalization, liberalization of the markets,
openness, no borders transparency,
globalization.
The main theorem of civilization dynamics is: In the world
process after the hiatus, more energies are constantly released than can
be bound under forms of civilization capable of being handed down.
(Peter Sloterdijk (ibid, pp. 85 [in the original text **],
translated by me).
Kultur wrote:
This shellacking and ripping off of nutrients and other energies,
that you speak of (**),
affects all Whites, or at least Western Whites. The rhetorical trick
is that they are reproached with certain behaviors of the past, so that
they get a bad conscience and are therefore more willing to be exploited.
With the Germans it is national socialism, sometimes colonialism, with
the US people it is Indian extermination and Negro slavery, with certain
other Whites it is colonialism, collaboration with German national socialism.
And some chauvinism, misogyny, xenophobia,
war crimes, etc. are always issues to exploit Whites anyway.
Even with the Swedes they found something, although just the Swedes
have not been conspicuous at all since the last 300 years.
All Western White states are made out to be rogue states (the first
one was France [see Revolution of 1789 ff., Napoleon], but even worse
it affects their inhabitants. But why is it so? If one looks more closely,
one finds that Eastern Whites are hardly affected by these exploitations.
Why? They are not or not yet rich enough!
Behind all the seemingly so moral judgments is the greed
for money, richness, power.
When the Western Whites will be impoverished, the moral sirens will
have stopped howling! **
**
The height of the revolutionary movement was in the period
from Tib. and C. Gracchus to Sulla, but the struggle against the leading
class and its entire tradition began a full century earlier by C. Flaminius,
whose agrarian law of 232 Polybius (II, 2 I) rightly described as the
beginning of the demoralization of the mass of the people. This development
was only temporarily interrupted and distracted by the war against Hannibal,
towards the end of which slaves had already been recruited into the »citizen
army«. Since the assassination of the two Gracchi - and their great
opponent, the younger Scipio Africanus - the state-preserving powers of
ancient Roman tradition were rapidly fading away. Marius, coming from
the lower classes and not even from Rome, raised the first army, which
was no longer formed on the basis of general conscription but from paid
volunteers personally attached to him, and with it ruthlessly and bloodily
intervened in the internal affairs of Rome. The old families, in which
for centuries statesmanship and a moral sense of duty had been bred and
to which Rome owed its position as a world power, were for the most part
exterminated. The Roman Sertorius tried to found a counter-state there
with the barbarian tribes of Spain, and Spartacus called upon the slaves
of Italy to destroy the Romanism. The war against Jugurtha and the conspiracy
of Catilina showed the decay of the ruling classes themselves, whose uprooted
elements were ready at any moment to call to the aid of the national enemy
and the mob of the Forum for their dirty money interests. Sallust was
absolutely right: Rome's honor and greatness, its race, its idea have
perished on cash money, for which the mob and the rich speculators were
equally greedy. But this metropolitan mass, converging from all sides,
was not mobilized and organized from within - as it is today - to fight
for its »right« to self-government, its »freedom«
from the pressure of the ruling classes, but as a means to the ends of
business politicians and professional revolutionaries. It is from these
circles that »dictatorship from below« has developed as the
necessary ultimate consequence of radical democratic anarchy, then as
now. Polybius, who possessed statesmanlike experience and a keen eye for
the course of events, foresaw this with certainty thirty years before
C. Gracchus: »If they are after high offices of state and cannot
obtain them on the basis of personal merit and ability, they waste money
by baiting and seducing the masses in any way they can. The result is
that through this political striving the people become accustomed to taking
gifts and covetous of money without work: Thus democracy comes to an end,
and violence and the right of fists take its place. For as soon as the
crowd, accustomed to live on other people's property and to base the hope
of its subsistence on the property of others, finds an ambitious and determined
leader, it passes to the use of the power of its fists. And now, gathering
herself together, she rages with murder and expulsion, appropriating the
property of others, until, completely savaged, she falls into the power
of an unrestrained dictator.« (VI, 9). .... »The real catastrophe,
however, will be brought about by the guilt of the masses, when they believe
themselves aggrieved by the greed for money of some, while the ambition
of others, flattering their vanity, tempts them to hubris. In anger it
will rise up, will give ear only to passion in all negotiations, will
no longer render obedience to those who lead the state, will not even
grant them equal rights, but will demand for itself the right of decision
in everything. When it comes to that, the state will adorn itself with
the most beautiful names, those of freedom and government of the people
by itself, but in reality it will have acquired the worst form, ochlocracy,
the dictatorship of the mob.« (VI, 57). (Oswald Spengler,
Jahre der Entscheidung, 1933, pp. 59-60, translated by me **).
Behind every kind of democracy there is money as the plutocracy.
In the beginning of a democracy everything is still fine, because the
money people have to start with their influence, but it is already there,
even strong, but not yet in power. In the next phase of the democracy
it comes over war to exactly the decision which is irreversible in the
last phase of the democracy, because the money people rule everything
in the last phase of the democracy.
So the degeneration form of democracy - the ochlocracy - begins in the
middle of the second and ends with the end of the third phase of democracy.
We are in the third phase.
I spoke about the English and the Germans objectively, not subjectively
like you (**),
because objectively (scientifically speaking) is what can be proven and
is proven, as I said. What I said is quite simple to prove.
Funny that you don't know that the Angles and Saxons conquered Britain
in the 5th century. All the Britons fled (to the area named after them:
Brittany [Bretagne {French}]) when they heard about it, so the Angles
and Saxons had an easy time in their conquest.
Also, it is not important for an objectivist (scientist) how much subjective
the English deal with their own history. Fact remains fact. What is dangerous
about the subjectivity of the English, of which you spoke, is just that
they do not notice how about the divide-and-rule principle, which their
rulers themselves so often applied (in the colonies and on the European
continent), divides them themselves today, so that the rulers can rule
over them more comfortably. It is stupid to see one's own history as it
has not been.
Again, I am an objectivist (scientist). What I have demonstrated is
no art, as you want to suggest with your picture (**).
It is proven that all Anglos and Saxons - Angles and Saxons - are from
Germany. There are these tribes still in Germany and in England.
But since you live so far away from Europe - in America - you know too
little about it. That is what I meant, that we have to stick together.
We need to know each other better. Disunity (division) - of whatever kind
- only helps the rulers.
So I am also concerned that we, who are in the same boat, get along
in this boat and do not capsize it by constantly pushing it back and forth
(the disunity, the separation), so that we sink - in the truest sense
of the word.
You give me the impression that you want to avoid the downfall of the
USA, but not that of the Europeans, even though, as I said, by far the
majority of US Americans are of European descent. With this attitude,
however, you will not get far, but only make things worse.
You won't get anywhere with your typical U.S. view: WASP, for example.
WASP is no race, but an ideology.
You (**)
are the one who should take a look at all that.
There are tribes not only in Germany, but also in all other Western
and Central European countries. It can't be otherwise, because Europeans
have a history at least 4000 years old. You don't have to look at those
maps, which were created by pure arbitrariness of the winners of the recent
wars, but those, which are older and refer to a very long period of time,
mostly more than 1000 years. In Germany there are no tribes
fighting each other, as you wrongly said, not even federal states - this
is at best propaganda to be believed by people who are far enough away
from Germany - US citizens, Canadians, Australians etc. -. -; many of
these former tribes are spread out into several federal states. Why? Is
it alienation? Is it arbitrariness? In any case, they are not fighting
each other.
It is nonsense to claim that there is no European unity, and I mean
the cultural one: the Occidental culture. Everyone in Western and Central
Europe knows that.
And if one (not you, because you do not want to [for subjective reasons])
goes further, then one has to admit that Europeans are White, the White
race. Regardless whether you subjectively find it ok or not.
Race is not what you subjectively think it is, nor is it what the US
ideology (WASP for example) thinks it is.
Satyr wrote:
White = European.
European = the western branch of the Indo-European race.
Aryan.
If Europeans do not find their ancient roots....as Kultur said.....they
will perish. **
Exactly. That is what I have said and why I have said it.
But Æon did not not understand or not read it, unfortunately.
My username alone stands for this.
I do not want our culture to perish. And if so many are simply too stupid
to understand that, then they will be among the first to perish, or, more
likely, have already perished.
@ Æon.
The border of the Occidental culture is not my invention. It really
existed and exists. Eastern Europeans do not feel themselves to be Occidentals.
They are Orthodox, while the rest of Europeans are Catholic-Protestant.
They themselves make these differences. This is not my fault. I would
be very much in favor of us pulling together with Eastern Europeans the
same way we do with ourselves. Of course there is nationality and/or ethnicity.
I have never disputed that. But these are also destroyed by the destruction
of the greater unity. This greater unity consists of culture and race
- as I said: race exists in two forms: biological and cultural; or, as
Satyr would now say: genetic and memetic; that is the same thing in other
words.
Satyr wrote:
Race is biological.
Species is biological - genetic, and race, breed, are sub-categories.
Ethnicity and Identity has three factors...
Blood (genetics)
Culture (memetics) - paideia, education, traditions, language.
&
Actions (will), behaviour...
Body/will/Mind - Platonic psyche.
Body is the foundation.....one is born Indo-European...into a specific
tribe, a family of bloodlines.
Language corresponds to this origin, and may be transferred to foreign
bloodlines....
Angles and Saxons are tribes...as are Hellenes and Italics and Norse,
and celts etc.
Americans. Australians, Canadians, Brazilians are not ethnicities,
they are national identities referring to multiethnicities often miscegenated.
**
Yes, That's how it is.
Satyr wrote:
I've tried to explore these dynamics in the Genes/Memes thread.
**
A good thread.
The problem we Occidentals have (already since 1789) - and it is really
that only we have it - has to do with decadence, nihilism, degeneration,
wanton destruction of everything.
Æon schrieb:
America is declining the same way Roman Democracy fellan
attempt to integrate too many foreigners into its Civitas. Simply look
at Washington DC, today. **
That is what I said earlier in two of my posts (but I did not only refer
to US-America, but also to Europe, at least to the Occident): **
(**)
** (**)
The genetic race is built in the cells.
The memetic race is built in the mind.
We have several stores of information. Two are within our self: (1)
Cells (genetics); (2) mind (memetics). One is outside our self, but invented
by our self: (2,1) Language as writing (books and the like), including
art and certain other semiotic/linguistic forms. From the writing language
we invented later among other things the (2,1,1) programming language
for computer and internet, for machines and for our and other living beings
bodies. Writing and programming languages are external information memories,
which are based on cultural (memetic) abilities and applications. The
writing and reading of language and their illustration in books etc. in
derivation of programming languages and their illustration in computers
etc. must be learned.
If you are nationalistic, it is because of your culture, your cultural
way of being, which is stored in your mind. It is the culture, the education,
the breeding that makes you a nationalist. Just as it is the genes in
the cells, so it is the memes here.
Satyr wrote:
Memes are gene specific and extensions....
They can be transmitted lust as genes can, to alien peoples through
intercourse.
Physical (sex) or mental (linguistic).....brains can be fertilized,
impregnated ideologically, using semiotics.

(Vereinfachte Darstellung. Dänemark und Italien gar nicht eingezeichnet
und das
Ungarische ist keine indogermanische, sondern ein finnisch-ugrische
Sprache ...)
Language families show common heritage - common words/symbols are
like common DNA sequences.
Indo-European family tree - its memetic extensions, from earthly, subterranean,
roots.

Language is like an archeological record....
If we notice they don't accurately map over genetic families....example
Finland and its Uralo-Altaic language.
Here we see mental fertilization due to physical domination.
Therefore identity begins with DNA - physical, genetic....then proceeds
to mind - language culture, training...and then to will - action, desire,
choice...
The sequence is in order of importance.....so, genetic primary (60%-70%),
then secondary memetic (10%-20%)...and tertiary choice, will (5%-10%)...
If someone chooses to become European, learns the language and acts
in accordance with European ideals, defending and promoting European
power, then he still cannot be entirely European - he can be like an
adopted child. **
Yes, very good. It shows that not only our genetics but also our memetics
determine us and thereby limit us.
I have installed the following maps (the first dates from 1600, the
second shows the relationships between genes and languages) on my website:


We and also all other living beings can pass on because we want to preserve
ourselves, are conservative, have to be. Otherwise, we will become extinct.
We - as living beings - are not able to change our genes in a natural
way. Only with the help of our technique (in this case: genetic technique)
we can do that. And we are not able to change our memes naturally either,
but only culturally and only to a limited extent, because they are phenomena
of culture, of the mind. Just as, for example, our technology is a phenomenon
of our culture, of our mind. Just as, for example, our technology is a
phenomenon of our culture, of our mind. And our technology, in turn, we
can use, among other things, to change ourselves genetically as well (but
up to what extent?). It is also a cybernetic problem.
When a group of U.S. Americans says that the U.S. is White, Anglo-Saxon,
Protestant (WASP), then that is a subjective statement,
because it is objectively false. It is probably the case that this WASP
group is as small a minority (just as the immigrants from England are
a very small minority) as the aristocrats from the Roman Senate were.
They always meant only themselves when they spoke of Rome
or the Roman people (SPQR). What is related to
the respective people is only rhetoric, which has very little to do with
reality. But that is the point: the people should believe that they are
represented here and in reality they are just being tricked and exploited.
The chronic surplus of mobilizations of activities and the progressive
triggering of action-moving event streams, which are reflected in objective
relics, drive the world relationship and reality experience of the moderns
into constantly growing asymmetry. (Peter Sloterdijk (ibid,
pp. 85 [in the original text **],
translated by me).
What about changing the currency from money to intelligence?
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