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1111) Arminius, 28.11.2017, 01:47, 06:05, 06:26, 07:07, 07:21, 08:12; Kathrina, 28.11.2017, 15:21, 15:25; Arminius, 28.11.2017, 19:46, 20:43, 21:24, 23:59 (6781-6792)
Science will not save us. It is more likely that it will do the opposite.Religion is likely more capable of saving us than science is. How likely is it? Which kind of religion would or should it have to be? Would or should this religilion be a theistic one? If yes: Would or should it be a religion of pantheism (is already very close to atheism), of monotheism, of polytheism. If no: Would it or should it be a primitve religion, at least a heathenish religion?If the demographic, economic and political development we have been experiencing for a pretty long time will go on, then we will get a syncretistic religion (**|**) or just the islamic religion which is a monotheistic religion and currently increasing the most. This is possible and probable, but not what I would like to have.Arminius wrote:
Encode Decode wrote:
Encode Decode, I concluded it just from my thoughts about emotion, not from the text in your opening post. So, it was not your fault.
Pilgrim Tom wrote:
And if Christianity had not overrun Europe, then Europe would have kept and further on developed its own religion: the European religion.
The Translator of Oswald Spenglers Untergang des Abendlandes wrote:
*) Classical means here: Ancient-Greek-and-Ancient-Roman-before-both-became-Christian.
These days, ruling or having the most power has not much to do with the formal government, for example the public government of a state or a nation. And I was not talking about such a public government. I was talking about a dictatorship of a ruling system. The rulers of this ruling system do not rule in a public way, but in a private and secret way. They are more like drug dealers of a global extent than like politicians of a national extent.So, Trump, for instance, is by far not the most powerful man in the world.Additionally: I would like to know who those right wingers really are that you are talking about (**). It is possibly very questionalble whether they are real right wingers or not. But anyway: Fact is that they are not the real rulers.
An example of a first preform of scientists are the monks of the Order of Saint Benedict (ca. 480543).
You should feel much better now.
Thank you (**). Im verry happy now.
Arminius wrote:
It was meant as a tendency. If, for example, A equals B, then there is no quantitative difference between them, so: A = B then. I believe that in real life equality has the tendency to make also a qualitative difference indifferent, thus equal, so that there is at last a qualitative indifference. In other words: if you have no quantitative difference, then you have to expect that you will - sooner or later - have no qualitative difference either.
Peter Sloterdijk wrote:
My translation: The modern world ... will turn out to be a time in which the wishes teach fear when they come true.
The use of others as scapegoats is part of an old strategy. In a more primitive way, higher animals also use others as scapegoats.
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe wrote:
My translation: At the end, nevertheless, we depend, on the creatures which we made. |
1112) Arminius, 29.11.2017, 00:15, 14:49; Kathrina, 29.11.2017, 19:44; Arminius, 29.11.2017, 21:25, 21:29, 21:44, 22:30 (6793-6799)
Immanuel Kant wrote:
My translation: The human is an animal that needs an education.
Thinkdr wrote:
Are you saying that misusing things and humans has not to do with the topic of this thread? Are you saying that questionability of the distribution of power, political positions and how all that is legalized has not to do with the topic of this thread?You are wrong!
Im convinced now: Donald Trump is dangerous since the US nation is dangerous. The US nation has been starting wars since a long time over and over again. More and more people have been learning how to justifiably hate the US nation for this fact.
It seems that Thinkdr is an ethical Prismatic and that Prismatic is a religious Thinkdr. Their progress is regress. At least, what they want to be realized is dangerous. It is similar to what certain humans have already experienced. Look at the history of communism. Communists are always saying that they want to make the world a better place (**) and that therefore adult-education seminars (**) and many similar things are needed (also the belief in the false conclusion God is impossible [**]), thus: they want even more dictatorship.Currently, liberalists and communists are in the same globalistic boat called humanitarianism - not knowing what humanitarianism means, what humanity means, what human means. They are confusing good and bad (evil), true and false (wrong), objective and subjective, ideal and real, possible and impossible, progressive and regressive.
Uccisore wrote:
That is indeed much more likely.
Pilgrim Tom wrote:
Why do you give up so early?
The legend of Sodom and Gomorrah is expressed in the Old Testament, thus a taboo within the Jewish religion. |
1113) Arminius, 30.11.2017, 07:23, 07:31, 07:38, 08:26, 08:28, 08:50, 09:38; Kathrina, 30.11.2017, 13:12, 13:39; Arminius, 30.11.2017, 22:48, 23:47 (6800-6810)
Good Mo(u)rning.Pandora wrote:
So, in 1970 you got mourning as the second reason for celebrating a national day of remembrance on the same calendar day. In other words: Since 1970 you have been celebrating Thanksgiving and Thankstaking on the same calendar day.
Kant did NOT say God is an impossibility!Meno wrote:
Thank you.
Prismatic 567.Again:Arminius wrote:
So, Prismatic 567, you have again proven that you have proven nothing.Your emotional response makes it clear that I have nailed it: You are regressive. And you use words that mask this fact.You use one of the nihilistic programs in order to try a transvaluation of values, and the result is always: failure.We know from all communistic experiments how regressive communism is. I am not throwing this against you, it is not necessary, because you yourself are doing that for me.So, thank you for your stupidity.
So, it was an act of kindness. It is kindness what ILP lacks a bit. So, what you said, Pilgrim Tom, makes me very happy.But my response was an act of kindness too.I hope, you have noticed that.
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Kathrina wrote:
»Im convinced now: Donald Trump is dangerous since the US nation is dangerous. The US nation has been starting wars since a long time over and over again. More and more people have been learning how to justifiably hate the US nation for this fact.« ** **
*hits rewind on the Hate America tape*
Justafiably hate the US. I suppose, but who should people then love? Should Americans hate the US? **
Who should Americans love? **
Isn't hate bad? **
Shouldn't people be tolerant of the cultural and social sensibilities of others? **
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Musical training is a more potent instrument than any other, because rhythm and harmony find their way into the inward places of the soul.
Music is a more potent instrument than any other for education.
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1114) Arminius, 01.12.2017, 09:00; Alf, 01.12.2017, 09:55, Arminius, 01.12.2017, 09:59; Alf, 01.12.2017, 10:53; Arminius, 01.12.2017, 13:08, 14:12, 14:42, 17:30, 20:28, 21:27, 22:05 (6811-6821)
The Antarctic is a bit colder than the Arctic.
Donald Trump is the current Benedict Arnold.
Hello again.I am wondering whether those leaders are already geared up for the final battle.
James S. Saint wrote:
I inhaled and exhaled once, so I am a medical specialist for breath control.
Prismatic 567 wrote:
That is also a typical example for your so-called arguments. There is nothing behind it. It is all surface. It is more appearance than substance. It is more illusion than reality. It is more the opposite of what is said. I am a progressive human being, so I am a World Citizen; I am a World Citizen, so I am a progressive human being; ...; I read once the translation of the titles of the chapters of Kant's books, so I know Kant's philosophy; I was once a pantheist Brahman for a long time, so I know what Brahman is all about; ...; and so on and so forth. These are no arguments. And especially not when it comes to the topic of this thread. You are always derailing your own threads.Those modern guys who say religion is opium for the people want to give them their religion, a modern religion (examples: liberalism, egalitarianism/communism, fascism, humanitarianism/globalism), which has always to do with the elimination of the old religion and with antitheism (with slogans like religion is opium for the people, God is an impossibility ...). The main problem ist that the new, the modern religion is even worse than the old one.Do not buy the modern opium!
Nice (**).Do you have already snow over there ( in Iowa [?] ) ?Many greetings to you and Joker - and the dog.
I hope that we will have snow on the 24th of December.
My wish is to have a white Christmas - not more.
Tiernan Morgan and Lauren Purje wrote:
Arthur C. Danto wrote:
But the end of art could be a sign, an omen for the end of history in the relatively soon future.Copied post in another thread.Copied post in another thread. |
1115) Arminius, 02.12.2017, 09:04, 09:36, 10:24; Alf, 02.12.2017, 11:17; Arminius, 02.12.2017, 12:58, 13:00, 18:58, 18:59, 19:33, 19:38, 19:50, 20:21, 21:32, 22:43 (6822-6835)
A sign or omen for the end of states in the relatively soon future could be the following impression:Zero Sum wrote:
It will likely take time before this description will become reality. But the thing is that some certain indicators have been being perceptible for a relatively long time.And for example: Is a welfare state with billions of debts still a well working state? If so: For how long will this last? A huge crisis - and this state is really bankrupt!The crash is only a matter of time.
Prismatic 567, your statements are childish - as almost everyone knows here.Just an example how childish your alleged arguments are:James S. Saint wrote:
A 13 year old boy is a child. Your statements are like statements of 13 year old boys.And you have shown this in each of your posts.Note that we have given you a lot of arguments and logically proven you wrong. And these arguments are not based on religion, but on logic. You are confusing almost everything.You really do not know what you are talking about. Why should we take you seriously?We have proven you wrong. So why should we always repeat this? We have done this in each of your threads.And your misuse of Kant is a fcat too, it is easily provable that he has never said God is an impossibility. So you are a liar and faker too.
Prismatic 567 wrote:
Yes, it is your pure stupidity.You really think that this is an argument (used in your thread called God is an Impossibility of an internet forum called I Love Philospophy in the 21st century):Prismatic 567 ( ¡ thinking of an argument ! ) wrote:
It is merely a typical example again for your childish naivety, your stupidity.
He is like Benedict Arnold was.
Zero Sum wrote:
That is a good idea.
Now, Prismatic 567, look what you have done. I believe that these charges (**) are sufficient to condemn you for ever (ad infinitum).
Nno, Nhe Ndidnt (**).
Perhaps, you (**) should change your avatar then (?).Or you should request the username Antimachiavell (Anti-Machiavell or the English version: Anti Machiavel).
For how long do you (**) want to stay in the corner?Poor boy!Or, perhaps, you meant the corner in a boxing ring.However. Good luck with your new username.
Globalism means - amongst other things - the elimination of nations, of states. And the fact that we are living in a globalistic era means - as long as this era lasts - that globalism is more powerful and thus seems to win. But who knows who will really win in the end? Globalism will end someday.
Just think for example of a company or any kind of corporation where you can find the same structure (mostly with the Pareto distribution of 20%/80% and a ruling 1%). Not wanting to value here, I am just saying that this is a structure that you can find very often.
You (**) mean a new thousand year kingdom (empire) is likely?The following tree (lime) is far more than 1000 years old and can be found in Puch (near Fürstenfeldbruck):
James S. Saint wrote:
I know. And the relativity theory (1905/1916) I was talking about was something that made the aether theory redundant according to the mainstream physicists after the test during the total solar eclipse on 29th May 1919, although this test was criticized.
Have a nice meal.I like noodles very much, especially the German version Spätzle.From another thread:Arminius wrote:
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1116) Alf, 03.12.2017, 00:00, 00:24; Arminius, 03.12.2017, 13:53, 14:04, 14:22, 21:12, 21:45, 21:59, 23:01, 23:12 (6836-6845)
James S. Saint wrote:
Interesting and likely true. But what would you respond if someone said to you that humans had ancestors that evolved? |
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Interesting and likely true. But what would you respond if someone said to you that humans had ancestors that evolved?
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Arminius wrote:
»Philosophically said, the Marxistic communism, which is based on Hegels dialectic, says that the capitalism is the thesis, the dictatorship of the proletariat is the antithesis, and classless equality and equal happiness for all is the synthesis. But if it is right that history is class struggle (war), then it is not - or at least only without history - possible to get a classless equality and equal happiness for all. Okay, Hegel already claimed the end of history (**|**), also Marx who was a Left-Hegelian, and many others (mostly Hegelians, some Nietzscheans, some others). So, as long as there is history there is no classless equality and equal happiness for all, so that the classes, the inequality, thus the class struggles (war) remain.« ** **
Clearly, an excellent analysis.
Basic entitlements and privileges are a hindrance of history
How one gets those is the question and the sustenance of
the structure of entitlements from beginning to end usually proceeds on a declining curve.The end of history may signal the beginning of doubt as to the pathogenesis of the attainment of capital, corresponsongly the power of its sustenance.
Now, when that historial awareness fractures in any bounded social group, that social group, be it a family or country,
They will be progressively defensive and aggressive about their awareness their own entitlement.People will act as if they have nothing to worry about except their own state of mind and resulting connect with others who appear to threaten the safety and security of their own domain ,will be bothered by their apparent disconnect with the look of others, thereby suppress a socially incongruent approach to each other in favor of focusing on social heresay, relating to their own activities generally.
This general disconnect seems to hang in the air, as if previously no connection can be made with the idea of past
repressed ideas commensurate with others in Their domain.This oftime fearful transference becomes so overwhelming as to enable some leaders in their field to make accessible the relevance which in most people mind remains insurmountable. **
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1117) Arminius, 04.12.2017, 12:54, 13:09, 00:01, 00:01 (6846-6849)
Thinkdr wrote:
Leaving out survival, leaving out thymos, leaving out rage, leaving out threat ... and so on and so forth - all this means leaving out a complete side (which is mostly called the negative side, the bad side, the evil side, the haevy side, the difficult side) of the issue. So, this leaving out leads only to more problems.Your two questions are not new; they are pretty old; and the history is full of failed trials of answers.We should not only consider the light and easy things, but also the heavy and difficult things.Why are you not asking for harmony?
Timocracy: ....
Pilgrim Tom wrote:
What do you mean by the word yuge, Pilgrim Tom?
Prismatic 567 wrote:
Fact is that the communists killed more than a hundred million people within a few decades! World record! Communism is the world champion of murder and terror!And by the way, Prismatic 567: What can be seen in all your threads and especially in your God ... thread is that you have never understood that we have not argued for a belief or for a religion, but for logic. We have proven you wrong and reminded you of your many logical fallacies.Pilgrim Tom wrote:
Pilgrim Tom, is the owner of this New Eastern Outlook (NEO) an East Asian or an North American? |
1118) Arminius, 05.12.2017, 18:44, 23:57 (6850-6851)
An aristocracy or oligarchy (degenerated aristocracy). Both are two sides of the same coin.Yes (**).
One example: **. |
1119) Arminius, 06.12.2017, 12:00, 13:56, 17:47, 19:07 (6852-6855)
Todays communists do not publicly, but nevertheless still say that people should be forced to work together (**).
1) Do you (**)
consider two or more different realms (for example the physical as the
first realm, the chemical as the second realm, the biological as the third
realm ... and so on)?
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Money ... is something that can be exchanged between things, between living beings, between things and living beings, provided that these living beings confide, trust, believe in it as a means of exchange (barter). Money is a promise, which will be fulfilled in the future. So, if the money shall work, the promise shall be fulfilled in the future, one has to confide, trust, believe in it; and if one really confides, trusts, believes in it, it will work, the promise will be fulfilled. ** **
1120) Arminius, 07.12.2017, 13:20, 13:38, 17:50, 18:44, 18:55, 20:57 (6856-6861)
Goethe was capable of foreseeing the end of our industrial modernity, the Faustian modernity. He knew that this modernity has a good and a bad side.And in the end ...:Oswald A. G. Spengler (translated [**]):
Oswald A. G. Spengler (translated [**]):
I opened once a thread with the title Can we slow down the modern velocity? (**|**).
Especially, the animal kingdom lacks promises for the remote future, lacks belief or trust in those promises, lacks institutions like banks that hords those promises and works with them (mostly by misusing those promises).
We have to consider two realms: (1) the real realm, (2) the ideal or spiritual realm.This means that the existence is either necessary (=> 1) or possible (=> 2).So, we have to consider necessity (=> 1) and possibility (=> 2).Wenn die Bedingungen der Möglichkeit in ihrer Totalität
da sind, dann bilden sie zugleich Notwendigkeit. - Nicolai Hartmann.
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